HOW to determine pre/post S&L!

[Dietrich Maerz]

Nothing like this at all.

Okay, Brian, then please try just for a moment to detach yourself from your cross. How can that be?

Dietrich

[Luftm40]

Since we are looking at all possibilities here...who is to say that the "type A" crosses aren't the product of some other maker? Certainly possible since we have established that what are considered to be SL crosses actually have 2 die forms. I use the example of Juncker and JMME pilot badges. They are identical, but were made by totally different firms...so how do we know that both types are both SL products?

[Dietrich Maerz]

A very crisp cross, no worn out die. B-Type. very light: 24.3 gr.

Bad ring finish, unmarked, unmagnetic. So crisp/uncrisp cannot be a determination factor. The B-Type did not switch from crisp to uncrisp on May 8th 1945.

Dietrich

[Dave Kane]

Dietrich it's clean but NOT crisp....look at how rounded the ridges are.....

Here is crisp...!

[Dietrich Maerz]

Yes, That is crisp! The unmarked, unmagnetic is for sure not like that!

Dietrich

[Dave Kane]

Darn! I let out another 'hint' I look for in post war crosses....

[Dave Kane]

Another 'hint'!

[Peter Wiking]

Dave.
Is that not the same type of unfinished ring as i posted at the start of this thread or are there variants ?

Cheers.
Peter

[Dave Kane]

Peter,

the rings were 'hand finished/voided' so there will always be various degrees difference.

Although the ring you show isn't completely voided it COULD be period...one needs to look at the entire cross.

[Dave Kane]

Not damning by itself but 'hardware' that just doesn't make sense....then coupled with other observations!

[Peter J.]

Is this crisp too

KR
Peter

Yes, That is crisp! The unmarked, unmagnetic is for sure not like that!

Dietrich

[tom hansen]

Is this crisp too

KR
Peter

The converse of all this, is the issue of the flawed "A" type crosses. Previously I was somewhat suspicious of these. Now I would not have a problem with one at all. That is a positive for me that completely changed my mind based on Dietrich's information.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Tom,

yes, isn't that funny! I was really convinced to find solid evidence against the flawed A-Type. I even told Skipper so when he gave me his cross for examination. And look what came out of it! Flawed A-Type, safe as a bank!

Dietrich

[Brian S]

Tom,

yes, isn't that funny! I was really convinced to find solid evidence against the flawed A-Type. I even told Skipper so when he gave me his cross for examination. And look what came out of it! Flawed A-Type, safe as a bank!

Dietrich

Nor is this even REMOTELY logical if you believe in your multiple die opinion. S&L survived the war, isn't it likely the first die survived too? So by your account how do you KNOW flawed crosses were produced to the great extent many are wartime? Many many FLAWS in your statements.

[Dave Kane]

I must agree with Brian here and don't think we are out of the woods yet regarding the major flawed crosses!!


The 935/4 shows the 'spidering = die repair' ONLY on the 3oc arm while all other surfaces are smooth and sharp. It seems incredible that if indeed the 935/4 are such late crosses that so many flawed crosses would be produced before war's end.