Opinion on 2 pin Cholm

[der bingle]

Assumed to be zinc, due to being non magnetic.

I assume it to be zinc due to it being non magnetic.


Opinions welcomed.

[Patrick W]

original so called type 3- wartime but exact purpose not known. I have a Demjansk by this same maker so IMO it is likely that these were retailed as private purchase shields by the maker rather than album cover decoration etc

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Patrick,

Can we see your Demjansk shield by this same maker, I don't recall seeing it before.

I have never been impressed with the detail of this type of shield, very poor in comparison to the typical 3-prong Cholm shields.

Is there any good provenance for these 2-prong shields? I have always considered these nothing more than reproductions, even though some can be found in CUPAL and of better quality than others. Is there a good thread where these were discussed in more detail, I guess I missed it.

Thanks

Tom

[Patrick W]

Tom

The Demjansks by this maker are actually much rarer than the Cholm, I think I have seen 3 in total. The prongs are very distinctive. Mine is Cupal and the quality is very nice indeed with a laquered finish. The Cholms are easy to tell by a flaw above the right shoulder which you can't see well on the shield in this thread. No doubt both are period IMO, I have owned one of these Cholms in the past also.

[Patrick W]

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[kraut72]

I not accepted this Cholm/not period, for me/ this typ Demjansk real wartime made design /unknown maker ,but....dark horse.

[Patrick W]

How do you believe that one is wartime and not the other when both of these shields can be found made in same materials with identical pins?

[kraut72]

I think this already little it

[Pascal H.]

A lot has already been discussed and said about the 2 pin Cholm shield.
I have the same opinion as Patrick as that these shields are period made.
It is my opinion that these shields were made from the same dies as the official awarded Cholm shield. These shields however are made from CupAl and I don't they were made to be worn, more likely for decorative use on albums.

This type of shield is been recorded immediately after the war by an RAF intelligence officer. The minuscule dies flaws on this shield resembles the dies flaws on the official awarded shield and according to specialits at those days there was no way that you could copy those little dies flaws.

The same story goes for the Demjansk shield which I also think is made from the same dies as a well known original example.

I have both shield in my collection and I have no doubt that both shields are war period made.

Kr
Pascal

[der bingle]

I think this already little it

Patrick, you have a great looking Demjansk shield that rises above others in finish and rarity, and im relieved to see that the fastners are identical to my cholm example. Iwould certainly like to see another example like ours displayed here! thanks for taking the care and displaying your Demjansk shield which borders on being one of the very few surviving examples of what you designate as type 3. thanks again , Carl

[der bingle]

Patrick, you have a great looking Demjansk shield that rises above others in finish and rarity, and im relieved to see that the fastners are identical to my cholm example. Iwould certainly like to see another example like ours displayed here! thanks for taking the care and displaying your Demjansk shield which borders on being one of the very few surviving examples of what you designate as type 3. thanks again , Carl

Thanks Pascal for your support concerning my example.

[Antonio Scapini]

Thanks Patrick for showing us your Demjansk, indeed a stunning piece.

About the Cholm some time ago I thought it was a fake, but I changed my mind and I think it could be a wartime piece. Certainly we need some more proofs to be sure. But I'm quite sure it is a zinc piece and not a cupal one. Back side and overall construction reveals not the smooth surface typical of the cupal shields, but rough typical of zinc.

[Pascal H.]

This type of Cholm shield is definitely made from CuPal.
On the reverse of my example the former owner scratched the top layer to determine of which material the shield was made.
You can see clearly the yellow copper.

Kr
Pascal

[kraut72]

this should be redish rather then

for me simply buntmetal, this yellow colors

[kraut72]

if into an album
and why somebody else is not from shields then this typ two prongs

Narvik ,etc,etc?