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    #16
    The theory that both pattern existed from the start is an interesting one!
    The photo is from Krantz's book "Orden und Ehrenzeichen" published in 1957, all the pieces in there are S&L's and most are actual photo's of pieces, as these RK's appear to be!
    So at least one example of the 2nd pattern core existed right from the start, unfortunately, I've not found any explanation as to why???
    I don't think I've seen a 2nd pattern cored RK, that looked early enough or of good enough quality to be a very early piece? Maybe there are some out there? But until one turns up, I personally think that only a small number of trial strikes of the 2nd pattern core were made back in 57/8, possibly put on the back burner, as they decided to go with the 1st pattern, and then dug out again when the 1st pattern die had seen better days?? Only a guess!!!!
    Stu.....Good luck with the hunt, you've had some good advice and examples shown, but as always, beware of fakes, they are plentiful, and ever increasing in quality!!!
    -Nigel
    sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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      #17
      If you are going for one, then why not the earliest St&L ( as per attached ) ?
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        #18
        Hi Mathijs!
        Just a small point... I believe the unfinished eye type is actually earlier? But for sure the one you showed is early too!!
        -Nigel
        Last edited by Nigel N; 02-19-2014, 02:27 PM.
        sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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          #19
          Aha, you mean this one ( seems I've uploaded the wrong pix )
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            #20
            Thanks to you all for the great info and photos. I will definitely go for an early example. If any of you happen across one I'd appreciate a heads-up.

            Regards,
            Stu

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              #21
              Nice one Mathijs!!!
              Another early beauty!!!!!!!!
              -Nigel
              sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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                #22
                Hello Stu W, Jamie Cross has a very nice looking 2nd pattern core (magnetic) with Oaks & Swords (S&L "o" marked) on his Todays new items update. You may want to take a look ? Tom

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Tom B View Post
                  Hello Stu W, Jamie Cross has a very nice looking 2nd pattern core (magnetic) with Oaks & Swords (S&L "o" marked) on his Todays new items update. You may want to take a look ? Tom
                  & be aghast at the price !.............£600 including modern ribbon & case
                  far from being reasonably priced IMO !
                  Prost ! Steve.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Steve 5 View Post
                    & be aghast at the price !.............£600 including modern ribbon & case
                    far from being reasonably priced IMO !
                    Prost ! Steve.
                    Oh I agree Steve....$1,000.00 US...But it's his stuff so I guess he knows someone on his customer list that will pay that amount ? Tom

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