Austrian Pair

[Brien]

Hello Gents,

Here is an Austrian pair for perusal

[novara]

I have one with magnetic core, have a look. What does that mean "Austrian"? Sorry I am not aware of this, this is why I kept that cross because I didn't know what was that.

[Brien]

The ones I posted I believe are made by Souval. The one you posted may be a rarer cross. Maybe the more learned folks on here can comment on it.

My EK2 is magnetic, but the EK1 is not.

[Matthieu]

Do believe the EK1 / EK2 shown in initial post to be original 1957 issue style items produces by Souval.
Do you have a snapshot of the other side as well ? So we can see the hardware on the EK1.

As to the EK2 in second post, do believe a reproduction piece ....

Mathijs

[Brien]

Reverse

Matthieu, as requested

[Steve 5]

I am with Mathijs on both Brien's Souval's......
Mathijs is also correct regarding Novara's EK, which is a reproduction, does not conform to known Souval traits....super rounded corners, the birds feet, EK II suspension ring only soldered on one side....see these superb images done by Nick, member "Mustangstje" (taken from another forum)...which illustrate these points perfectly.
I have never seen an "Austrian blank core" with the "1813" date on reverse.........unfortunately Andrew, I have to ask, "Where have you been getting your stock from" it looks like you are being whizzed one !
Prost ! Steve.

[Tony T-S]

Yes, Souval, and really interesting with the 1813 blank core.

[novara]

Gents,

Thanks for that. Actually this piece was a part of big "Konvolut" I bought in Berlin.

As I have never seen this type of EK before, I kept it, just in case.

The core is "much" smaller than the frame, it is even moving in it.

I was not even tended to sell as I had no idea what was that.

Take care

Andrew

[Steve 5]

Yes, Souval, and really interesting with the 1813 blank core.

What do you mean Tony ? you think novara's EK a genuine Souval ?
Prost ! Steve.

[Tom B]

It's not a genuine Souval IMO !

[Tony T-S]

No I was referring to the two that began the post. They have the blank core found on the 1813 cross with obvious Souval frames. I wasn't referring to the fake with 1813 on the reverse. Sorry for the confusion.

[Tom B]

If I remember correctly the blank core type were made by Souval pre-57 ? Tom

[Nigel N]

Guys!
You should know nothing is straightforward with Souval!!!
The piece's Brien showed are textbook early Souval's, the one that Andrew showed is more of an "unknown"
It is basically Souval's attempt at at Schinkel "B", normally they have a swastika core, and I think for a while were considered genuine wartime made pieces? Anyway, they were definitely postwar copies!!
Its likely that these EK's had a two piece core, separate obverse and reverse, so what has happened here, is that Souval have swopped the normal swastika obverse core for a blank one!!
The question is, was this done just as a collectors piece, or as a piece made for vet wear, which the normal blank cores were!!
Unfortunately, at the moment, the answer is unknown! I have seen a couple before, and thought about buying one for study, so Andrew, if you ever decide to part with this one, please drop me a PM!!!
-Nigel

[Steve 5]

If I remember correctly the blank core type were made by Souval pre-57 ? Tom

Absolutely Tom, late 40's, early 50's..........but well before the 1957 regs....
Prost ! Steve.

[Nigel N]

Heres the swastika cored type......
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