Something interesting...

[Matthieu]

I can follow Uwe in some ( or most ) of his findings, however the way he does bring it can be rude .

Whilst he seems to very knowledgeable on this 1957 issue, fear he only knows black and white.
Us collectors accept there to be a more "grey area" within 1957 collecting.

A badge - whilst not mentioned on the 1957 official list - can be made :

* During the 1957 period
* By the same manufacturer as the 1957 awards
* With the same style materials as wartime / postwar / 1957 awards
* In the postwar / 1957 period

Therefore, is it not interesting for us - collectors - to grasp the entire story ?
So we can understand where it came from, how it was made and by whom ?
In doing so, we can link certain badges to certain makers, and learn more ?

I can only conclude that certain - outside official 1957 regulations made badges - are still worth investigating and discussing.

Still I fear that certain member(s) will strongly disagree with me on this issue .... so be it .

Grtz,
Mathijs

[reichenberg]

Can I just say in defense of Uwe that I believe he sometimes comes across as 'rude' due to his basic errors when trying to write in English what he has in his head in German. If you read his comments through a couple of times you can see that it's not really as bad as it seems at first glance.
Also, the facts that he is trying to get across are TECHNICALLY CORRECT, even if hard to follow sometimes.
There is no denying that his posts are quite annoying when they keep popping up everywhere and it would be a good idea for Uwe to start a new thread for the discussion of his viewpoint and that perhaps it could be pinned, as I'm sure it will run on for a good while. It would also be good for novice collectors to know the difference between official 1957 versions and other post war pieces that are commonly but wrongly called 57ers.

[Seewolf]

Uwe is a collector with high knowleadge and he often brought up some light in discussions here. For that many thanks

But in the meantime some pieces got accepted as "57ers" like OL and OLS by S&L and Souval and like the shown small battle unit clasps from S&L and Souval.

We all know that these are NOT regular 57ers but don´t want to read that always and everytime That´s all. That causes only trouble and is not more worth discussing. By now these pieces are accepted worldwide and highly sought after by collectors.

[Arthur Spooner]

For me a "57er version" is only as in the German law described!

Look on the internet, there are many medals who were declared as 57ers,
but every person who is interested in this collection field should know what is meant with "57er version".

But for me all post war medals/awards... are worth to show and discuss on the 1957er forums.
Every time interesting!

[Nigel N]

For me a "57er version" is only as in the German law described!

Look on the internet, there are many medals who were declared as 57ers,
but every person who is interested in this collection field should know what is meant with "57er version".

But for me all post war medals/awards... are worth to show and discuss on the 1957er forums.
Every time interesting!

Hi Matthias!
The problem I have is the continual hijacking of threads and reprimanding of members for not getting things 100% correct, this is not helpful when taken to this extreme, and I have to tell you, this has already resulted in at least one 57 collector no longer posting here, and several others feel uncomfortable knowing they are going to be taken to task if they get their wording even the tiniest bit wrong!! I have received several PM's about this over the last few months, and feel it is my duty as moderator to act on it, if it is spoiling things for others!!
I want everyone here to be able to post their pieces and discuss those pieces without fear of being told off for not describing them properly!
Not only that, but "57 OLS" for example, is a term used by 57 collectors everywhere, we all know exactly what is meant by it when we read that, the fact that OLS and several other pieces didn't need redesigning is not of the greatest importance to the average 57 collector, they were made by the same makers as 57 RK's, at the same time, for the same vets and to be worn with them!
This section is IMO for the discussion of the actual badges and medals! Rules and regulations, and especially terminology is of secondary importance.
If anyone wants to start a thread on nothing but rules, regulations and terminology, thats great, and I will happily pin it to the top of the page for all to read and contribute to, but unless that information is specifically requested in a thread, there is no need to relentlessly bang on about it!!
-Nigel