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    Two japanese tunic.

    Hello guys! I just got this from japanese seller.

    Question about first tunic (infantry sergeant) : what means badge on sleeve? This is a specialisation badge or another?







    #2
    And another one tunic - artillery corporal.
    What mean the cannons - heavy or fortress artillery?




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      #3
      These tunics are later WWII and have insignia that would not be applied to a type of tunic like this. Also, from the pictures I'm afraid some, if not all, of the insignia is reproduction.

      The insignia above the right top pocket is branch of service which use was discontinued by WWII, I think around 1940.

      The collar badge insignia looks like heavy artillery but again would not have been applied on a uniform like these.

      The arm patch looks similar to the patch for a shoemaker but I really don't think it is original.

      Do the tunics have stamps inside?

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        #4
        More photos (first tunic)













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          #5
          Inside stamps (1st tunic)



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            #6
            Hi, I have studied your additional pictures of tunic number 1. This first tunic as I suspected is a Type 3 tunic. This type of uniform began being produced in 1943 which is at least two years after the IJA stopped using the branch of service insignia above the right pocket.

            Type 3 Tunic.jpg

            Also, the branch of service insignia that I have seen identified as original does not show machine stitching of the colored part of the patch to the backing and is smaller in size overall than the one sown on your tunic.

            http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japa...mg/hb-11-8.jpg

            As for the Shoemaker arm patch, I have not seen an original of this type of insignia but whenever it is illustrated in period plates or books it is usually shown as turned in the opposite direction from the one sown on this tunic.

            Shoemaker.jpg

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              #7
              The type 3 tunic is the same as the Type 98 tunic, but with a simplified sizing system (S/M/L instead of #1~6) and a bigger collar, these tunics are "Wartime tunics" and produced after 1944. The collar tabs also look awfully fresh and from what I gather the norm was to stitch them on with issued National Defense Color (Olivedrab) thread, not red.

              Type 98:
              http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~gunsou/98heifuyu.htm
              Type 3:
              http://blog-imgs-34-origin.fc2.com/k...12_1823_01.jpg
              (Virtually no difference)
              Wartime (AKA Kessen/Home defense uniform):
              http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~gunsou/senjifuyu.htm
              Last edited by Walter Schmidt; 11-17-2013, 12:55 AM.

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                #8
                Thanks guys!

                Here some photos of second tunic. Seemed the made in 11 Showa year...
                Tunic have a stamps inside every pocket.















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                  #9
                  Insignia added post war. Big red thread stitches is a give away combined with no hand written name on interior stamp

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                    #10
                    That's very strange, Type 98 tunics were established in Showa 13 (1938/Imperial Year 2998), and it can't be a modified one because the stamp says Type 98.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jareth View Post
                      Insignia added post war. Big red thread stitches is a give away combined with no hand written name on interior stamp
                      Makes since, why put rank on an unissued tunic. The red thread though, at that time I guess they used brown?

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                        #12
                        Here's my opinion, a lot of which I think has already been said:
                        -The infantry "M" insignia was discontinued in 1940, so I don't think you would ever see one on a Type 3 uniform (1943) like this. I also think they discontinued those little grommets of the cannon by 1943 as well.
                        -The big red stitching is wrong. It shows up a lot in post-war applied insignia. My Japanese friend's grandfather was a Lieutenant and I went to her home and saw her grandfather's tunic, untouched since the war. The insignia are tack stitched in the corners and show no thread going through the opposite side. It makes sense too because they had to wash these tunics or receive promotions, so the insignia would need to have been lightly applied for quick removal. Check some period portraits up close of navy sailors. You'll see that their arm insignia are only attached at the corners, not entirely around.
                        -No named signed in the interior stamp area. A name or at least some writing would be there if this was issued. The fact that it is blank is a give away that it was unissued and had insignia applied later.

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