Greek Translations?

[Tim B.]

Any Greek members out there that can translate a couple of items for me? Much appreciated in advance!

Tim

[NCO]

Hi Tim,

The first line reads as follows with his name.

First Page:
Christodoulos Christos George
For King and Country
1912 1913
Then a group places including Macedonia ( bottom line first from left ).

Second Page:
Christodoulos Christos George
Victories
Then a group of places where the victories occurred.

Looks like where he earned his medal.

Hope this helps for now,

Cheers
NCO

[Tim B.]

NCO,

Hey man, that really helps a lot! Thank you.

I'll try to update this with some photos later.

Tim

[Tim B.]

The two boxes of issue are in pretty bad shape, both crushed and incomplete at this stage but the information was written on the bottom of each.

Here are the two applicable medals and they are getting rather hard to find anymore:

Thank you again!
Tim

[Tim B.]

I don't supposed there is anyway to research this Christodoulos Christos George to find out what units or career he might have had?

Doesn't seem to be much information on these guys from what I'm (not) finding.

Tim

[Tim B.]

Here's another item I am trying to find out more on; an officer medal bar that came with two ribbon bars. All from the same source but the medal bar is missing the Order of George and has the ribbons updated to reflect the "Medal for Outstanding Acts" after the Merit Medal changed.

Not common to find bars spanning both world wars. Any ideas?

Tim

[byterock]

The Medal bar Could be from the chaotic political times in the 1920 when the Order of George and other royal awards where out of favour and the ribbon bar from before or after the restoration in 35?

[Tim B.]

Hello byterock,

You know, that is very possible as the George Order was discontinued around the time this bar would be in use.

I had considered some possibilities here, let me know what you think.

1) The George Order was awarded later and the member never updated the medal bar or decided they wanted to keep it separate, perhaps in the case of issue and with any diploma/certificate. It is a rather high award after all.

- However, if the award was discontinued around 1926, not updating the medal bar would not really make sense as new medals were added for later service. Unless they didn't want the Order mounted to the bar for whatever reason. As you say it fell out of favor.


2) He received notice of the award but, because the medal was becoming obsolete, never actually received the medal itself, only the award notification.
Not sure if those things happened or not.


3) Despite the medal bar and both ribbon bars originating from the same source/estate, they don't actually belong together and were paired up at some point in time.

- I always have to consider this as a possibility, as we see it everyday in collecting, hence why I am trying to find out more on just maybe "who" might have been awarded this combination of awards.

Thank you for your thoughts here!

Tim

[herrzark]

Oh man great medals awards.how have i not seen this thread again. Amazing

[Tim B.]

Oh man great medals awards.how have i not seen this thread again. Amazing

Surprisingly, not a lot of interest in many "foreign" (I'm in the U.S.) ODMs here at WAF.

Try searching "Greek Medals Anyone" and it should list all the threads I think as I used that somewhat generic title for most of my international ODM related threads (I/e: French, Belgian, Czech, etc.).

Tim

[herrzark]

Yes mainly German or Russian medals are interested in this forum.It is logical.Will try your advice in search,thank you

[don_kihotis7]

Just to add something regarding the translation.

His name is Christopoulos not Christodoulos.

So name is Georgios (George)
Surname: Christopoulos
Father's name: Christos

The it reads: Συν Θεώ υπερ βασιλέως και πατρίδoς (Sin Theo iper vasileos ke patridos) which means With God or with God's help for king and country.
1912-13
Then the names of the areas which the soldier participated in battle.

1st line: Aetorrahi, Giannitsa, Elasson, Sarantaporon
2nd line: Makedonia, Ipiros, Archipelagos. These were not included as ribbon plates but they are engraved on the reverse of the medal itself.

Regarding the 2nd medal:

Christopoulos Christou Georgios

Battles

Mpelles, Kresna-Tsomagia (it should be Tsoumagia as written on the plate), Kilkis-Lahanas.

Great medals by the way

[Tim B.]

Thank you very much for that, any information is extremely helpful here.

Tim

[Tim B.]

For convenience, I'll add a link here to that other thread as I posted some more photos and added some new items of interest. Enjoy!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=589436

[stray_dog]

I don't supposed there is anyway to research this Christodoulos Christos George to find out what units or career he might have had?

Doesn't seem to be much information on these guys from what I'm (not) finding.

Tim

Tim, you are right. Greek soldiers' service records are not open to the public. There is only one official publication of the General Staff with the fallen of WW2. I have also seen a copy of a private publication of the late 1910s or early 1920s with lists of the fallen of the Greek-Turkish and Greek-Bulgarian Wars in a small private museum, run by a fellow collector.

Christopoulos survived these wars, judging by the absence of the cross bar for the fallen, so it is pretty difficult -if not impossible for the time being- to find any information regarding his service.

I did make a quick search on the internet to see if there were any references on the name in connection with local or family history, but didn't find anything. I will keep an eye open, though!

Best regards,
Giorgos