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    #16
    Originally posted by Rolf D.
    Russians got medals for taking a crap it seems...
    That's a bit harsh and you could almost say the same thing about Germany. But the Russians did have to face having half their country occupied and liberating it so they do have a load of medals.

    Also, keep in mind that they pretty much started the war without much pomp and then realized the people kind of needed it. They might have gone a little overboard with the medals for defense of various cities, as well as the liberation medals...but hey when you lose 20,000,000 people you probably need to hand out a few medals to the survivors!

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      #17
      Ok, ok. I am sorry but just seeing the Generals with their own personal gold and silver mines on their chest is just excessive. You're right about not understanding Russian medals...but seriously some of the Russian medals IMO are the nicest and pleasing to the eye.
      Last edited by Rolf D.; 11-08-2003, 06:41 PM.

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        #18
        The Russains were also the most frivilous with their men. Charge the Machine Gun until we overtake them with sheer amounts of men, the machine gun jams or they run out of ammo...

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          #19
          An absolutely stunning group !!!!!

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            #20
            "I have 4 of those medals, so I suppose in one of my wilder dreams I could be considered to be halfway there "

            Hi Jim, do you mean you have 4 of the medals in the group...or 4 VCs ?

            I think that would drive me over the edge..

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              #21
              Originally posted by Ciaran Byrne
              It is totally unique in that it is made from the Russian cannons captured at Sevastopol during the Crimean war.
              Not quite ol' fruit:
              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...Kabul+Kandahar

              Alright, so the metal used wasn't Russian, but the practice of using the enemy's materials was not as uncommon as one would think. It makes good economic sense actually. The guns captured by the British off the Russians at Sevastapol had already been filtched off the Chinese, so the gun metal (not bronze) is actually of Chinese origin.

              There's a few captured Crimean cannon dotted about - one of which sits outside Ely cathederal in Cambridgeshire. One only has to stand next to the bloody thing to get an idea of what it must've been like firing it!

              Next time I'm there, I'll grab a piccie.
              Last edited by Tony Farrell; 11-04-2003, 01:30 AM.

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                #22
                Didn't know that, Tone me ol' mucker....

                I think that is a uniquely British practice of using captured weapons as material to make medals out of. Certainly economical!

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                  #23
                  Thought old lord moneybags had cornered the VC market?

                  As regards the Falklands VCs. 2 were won, both posthumously. Lt.Col H Jones and Sgt. Ian McKay both from the Parachute Regiment.

                  All you ever wanted to know about the VC but were afraid to ask Link
                  Collecting German award documents, other paperwork and photos relating to Norway and Finland.

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                    #24
                    Those of you who can get BBC2 should watch it tonight. Jeremy Clarkson is doing a programme about his father-in law, Maj. Rober Cain, and the VC he won at Arnhem.

                    BTW, the myth of the Russians winning with 'human wave' tactics is just that - a myth. No amount of manpower would have got them to Berlin if that was how they tried it. Have a look around www.redarmystudies.net for a look at the truth untarnished by German Generals desperately lying to preserve their reputations .

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                      #25
                      BTW, the myth of the Russians winning with 'human wave' tactics is just that - a myth.
                      Have you read the book titled "The Black March" by Peter Neumann? In it he describes very detailed that that is exactly what the Russians did. He was a lucky one, SS, Stalingrad survivor and Russain prisoner of war survivor too. He has an awesome story and I have read it so many times the books fell apart, a stroy that never gets old. It is a good one.

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                        #26
                        As far as Russian awards go...

                        The reason there are more HSU (Hero of Soviet Union) vs. VC Cross is simple. All you have to do is compare the number of Soldiers in Russia and GB. I imagine per capita you'll end up in the same range for both per soldier.

                        Rusty.

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                          #27
                          Wow. (what more is there to say?)

                          A truly spectacular Jaw-Dropping group...

                          Thanks for sharing that Chris...I'm sure everyone appreciates the opportunity to get a peek at a real VC. I've only handled a few real ones in my life, never owned one, and don't really want to to be honest!

                          TONY: If you're after a Colonial Auxiliary Forces Officers' Decoration or LS Medal, let me know as they turn up here, probably moreso than in the UK. They are beautiful awards. I'd be happy to keep my eyes peeled for one for you. Plus I have the roll of Canadian recipients for both the decoration and medal so could double check it for you beforehand...

                          Cheers!

                          Adam

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                            #28
                            Cheers Adam. I know Eugene usually has some in stock. The Col. Aux. Forces LS&GCs are easily affordable, but the decorations differ wildly pricewise - from around £250+. Not exactly bank-breaking, but I do have my drug, alcohol & prostitution habits to fund too!

                            Still, I may have something nice to add soon - possibly an Indian Forces Decoration or a Permanent Forces of the Empire Beyond the Mouthfull. Vatch zees space!

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Ciaran Byrne
                              Didn't know that, Tone me ol' mucker....

                              I think that is a uniquely British practice of using captured weapons as material to make medals out of. Certainly economical!
                              The bronze combattants' medal issued by the Prussians for the war of 1870-1871 with France is impressed around the rim with the legend Aus Erobertem Geschütze - I'm quoting from memory so forgive any spelling errors - which translates as Made From Captured Guns. Civvies got a steel medal.

                              The VC group is spectacular! What are the bars on the QSA? And did he win it in South Africa or was he still a private soldier in 1914? Promotion was very slow before WW1, especially in territorial units, as vacancies simply didn't occur often.

                              Prosper Keating

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                                #30
                                "Have you read the book titled "The Black March" by Peter Neumann?"

                                No, but I've read "Through Hell for Hitler" by Henry Metelmann who was on the Stalingrad front in 1942/3 & he doesn't describe this sort of thing. He describes a canny enemy who were a tough proposition.

                                Oddly enough I've heard British & US soldiers describe exactly the same 'human wave' tactic carried out by German soldiers. A case in point being when Audie Murphy won his MOH.

                                Should I treat that as indicative of ALL German infantry tactics?

                                I can't be bothered to argue, read Charles Sharp's introduction* here and maybe buy the book to get your head out of racist German stereotypes.

                                http://www.battlefront.com/products/...ntryintro.html

                                Or read a bit wider, order some stuff from www.redarmystudies.net or read the articles available via the links.

                                But, please, don't take solely the Germans word for anything the Red Army did. They never understood their enemy because they didn't want to.

                                AlexW
                                *the 29m casualties he mentions are Dead & Wounded combined BTW.<edited>
                                Last edited by AlexW; 11-07-2003, 09:29 AM.

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