Another bundle of "Rare" Arvn items

[hochiminhtrail]

what happend to the tapes on the shirt? i m questioning about the decoloration, it s sort of uneven, on both tapes.
TFLB, the person you know who where involved did he worked on all of these shirts?

[Spikey]

These uniforms are put together. That seller probably said what he did because he was angry that people KNOW his stuff is bogus. Some are fooled but most aren't. The uniforms just don't look right.

[DiGilio]

I believe the uniforms are put togethers too. Anybody trying this hard to convice people his uniforms are legit is most likely doing it to cover up the fact that they are not. He also sounds a bit pissed that people figured out they are not.

[thefallenbuddha]

what happend to the tapes on the shirt? i m questioning about the decoloration, it s sort of uneven, on both tapes.
TFLB, the person you know who where involved did he worked on all of these shirts?

What the seller has told me is that all of these items were acquired by one soldier in Vietnam during the War. The original owner is the other Ebay member already mentioned in this thread. For some reason, the original owner cannot sell these items on Ebay, so this seller (his friend) is selling them. That is what I've been told.

When this thread started, I emailed the link for this discussion to the seller and asked him to post on the matter if he would like to, since I believe he is a member of the forum already, but I'm not sure. Either way, I am not "out to get anybody". Collecting is an educational process for me, and I learn new things everyday. I had my own concerns, but I wanted to see what the rest of you thought, and also encouraged the seller to add to the discussion if possible.

[express06snail]

The ARVN airborne shirt look 99.99999999999999 Percents fake to me. The Captain collar rank is in wrong size, wrong color and is in wrong position. I have seen this type of shirt back in Saigon Dan-Sinh war market early last year January 2009 for about 1.2 million VND (about 65 usd at that time). ARVN ERDL material quite easy to find and cheap.

[Vigilans]

G’day thefallenbuddah
After reading your posts and all the other bull**** you and your mates have carried on with in the last few days I feel compelled to reply to your accusations. As you can see this is my first post on this forum although I have been a member for some time, the fact that you have decided to take your grievances/revenge to this forum and promote your “great knowledge” of Vietnam militaria is the driving force behind this message. Personally I doubt your “great knowledge” or your mates!

Firstly I declare that I know the original owner of these items, we are by no means great mates but I have done some business with him in the past, and find him an honest and honourable man.
Secondly I am not a collector of Vietnam militaria, but pre 1942 Australian militaria, and know a fair bit about that subject. I hate fakers as much as any bona fide collector, and I am well known in this area of collecting to “out” them when I catch them
He did in fact do two tours in Vietnam, but this is beside the point.

The items are genuine as stated; the seller and therefore the owner have given a 100% money back guarantee, what more can you ask?
The ARVN uniform as stated in the listing has period badges sewn on post war as a representative piece; you clearly have not read the information in the listing…see below
Quote* ARVN Airborne/Ranger late war four-pocket camouflage uniform consisting of jacket & Trousers. All of the insignia, in this case of the Airborne Division is original wartime manufacture, but has been added to the jacket post-war, as a representative piece. The camouflage uniform is in excellent contition. Insignia can be removed or, left as desired

I believe you were offended when called “ill informed tripe” well I don’t know about tripe but you certainly are ill informed! You post this to the forum because you want revenge? And hope that a few like minded cronies will agree with you….well that has worked….not.
It surprises me that a collector of your standing cannot tell the difference between real and fake, this is a great worry, you may want to go through your collection and take a second look at your genuine items!

Bob Chat you were spot on when you said and I quote “Just looked at this thread. The SEAL patch is original, as are most of his patches. I saw the jpeg's of this patch collection before they ever made it to Ebay. All of his patches are original” It’s good to see someone on this forum knows what they are talking about.

Lastly the seller has left contact details and made himself very accessible to questions, why don’t you just ring him and ask for yourself?

[thefallenbuddha]

[QUOTE=Vigilans;3852289]....You post this to the forum because you want revenge? QUOTE]

Revenge?

As I have written several times in this thread, I posted it because I wanted to see what other people thought about the items. I have never claimed to have "great knowledge". (Please See My Earlier Postings). I don't know why you would write this.
I've also stated I am open to change my mind if others posted to the contrary, and that I am here to learn.

I said I had my doubts about the items (headgear) and that the uniforms looked put together to me, but wanted to see what other people thought. There's literally dozens of threads on this forum with people debating the authenticity of items on Ebay. I am a collector and wanted to get some second opinions from other collectors.

Is that revenge?

I am sorry, but I don't think so.

Also, for the record, as you know, the sentences about insignia being added to the airborne tunic were not in the auction when it was first listed, those were added later. I can read, and didn't see that information anywhere in the listing at that time.

If you want to continue accussing me of attacking you (which I am not trying to do), then there is nothing I can do to stop you, but I am not going to post anymore on this matter further.

I wanted to see what other collectors thought about the items, and wrote a bit about what happened to me when I initially inquired.

If I was out to slander you personally for revenge (as you claim) I could have very easily have posted your name(s), etc, but I didn't. That's your privacy, and it's none of my business, although my name is being floated around by you and your friend quite a bit.

That's all. I don't know you, I don't know the original owner, and have nothing against either of you personally.
So, please do not put words in my mouth, and please do not think I have some pointless vendetta against you or your friend or anyone else, nor that such an element was the purpose for this thread.

I am sorry my questions about the items have caused you so much grief. I think there is always more to learn about collecting, and I wanted to see what others would think of the items and story as second opinions. I had believed this was the sort of thing this forum was for. If I was such an expert, then I wouldn't need to do this in the first place.

Once more, I am backing off from this matter. This is getting way too personal. Again, I am sorry for the angst this has caused you, but I hope the discussion can move back to the items, or otherwise end all together.

[Spikey]

Look guy, NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY is disputing your mate's military history, that is NOT the point so STOP throwing this in peoples faces. Guys are just questioning a few of the patched uniforms, not all of them. I didn't see that you said the the insignia was put on post VN, that being said, the people, me included, that said the shirt looked fake were in fact, correct which puts all the other patched shirts in a bad light as well. MAYBE if you hadn't been so gruff in answering the original posters questions about the uniforms, MAYBE this topic would have NEVER been started. Your defensiveness about these uniforms throw red flags, like it or not. These kinda topics are good for collecting as it informs and helps weed out the fake from the real. At the end of the day, you ARE selling a put together shirt. THAT is what everybody questioned and it seems they were right. So be as pissed off as you want to be, there are uniforms that look just like that airborne one on GREEDBAY all the time so excuse us if felt the need to question something that looks to good to be true. So don't come on here angrily talking down to everybody as if we are mildless idiots, there are alot of of exprerienced collectors on this site and others so when you come here and act disrespectful to everyone, it doesn't help your cause.

As far as the SEAL 2 patch, I also saw the patch collection and thought the that patch looked OK, it was big if I remember correctly, there was also a UDT 11 patch(or 12) that was off a uniform, there were alot of cool patches in that collection, I was just interested in seeing the UDT/SEAL stuff.

[Vigilans]

fallenbuddah.........Let me just say this.....I am NOT the seller nor the original owner, you have the wrong bloke, you have not slandered me or my'friend' your comments do not cause me grief, quite frankly I dont give a damn what you or your mates think. I am simply having my say as you also did, if you cant back up your comments......its simple..........back off, you are no expert as you say......so maybe you should keep your uninformed comments to yourself
have a good day

[Vigilans]

spikey read the above comment....................!!!!!!!!

[Spikey]

Vigilans...I guess you told me.........


Pull yer neck in son, nobody wants to listen to your BULL****!

[thefallenbuddha]

fallenbuddah.........Let me just say this.....I am NOT the seller nor the original owner, you have the wrong bloke,..

Your writing style, word usage, punctuation, and vocabulary is exactly the same as the emails I've received from the seller, and you seem to have just as much knowledge about the matter and be just as passionate regarding it as the seller does.

[Beau Brummel.]

Well said! You need to wind you bloody neck In mate cos all you're doing Is digging the hole deeper. Sorry for the profanity and metaphor mixing but having lived with a couple of Aussie rugby players I thought maybe I could get through to you

As has been stated you were pinged adding to the description; I read those descriptions too and ther was NOTHING about the badges being added post war. So was It the old "let's float this POS and see how clever these wankers really are"? Have you been lurking here since 08 to judge the level of competence to see what was get awayable with?

I prefer to think that perhaps the original owner neglected to tell you he had added the badges; forty years is a long time and sometimes the memory plays games, or did you genuinely forget? Whatever; you are either culpable or you aren't. I've given you several opportunities to fall on your sword here and back out gently so which Is It to be? Kicking and screaming or with dignity?

If you are genuine, and I hope that Is the case, I know exactly how you feel. I myself have listed or sold Items that I have been convinced were genuine only to have It all blow up In my face. Indeed there was an Incident here where I sold a hat to a friend that turned out to be crap. It got on here, I looked an arse, but I did learn from the experience.

I know It looks a bit like a witch hunt and when you're on the receiving end it feels like It too but nothing Is further from the truth. People here are motivated by a desire to learn and to add nice Items to their collections, not to start personally motivated battles with hidden agendas. You say you are a collector of WW2 Australian Militaria and that In your milieu you hate fakers; well then you know how this works.

I deliberately haven't commented till now as I wanted to hear what you had to say; I was hoping the whole thing would be resolved without friction. To me It looks as though you may well have been the victim of a seller not telling you the whole story Initially. That's why proxy selling sucks the fat one and Is not to be recommended! I for one can see what a hole you've dug yourself Into and am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I think many others probably would have done too If you hadn't opened up on them In your Initial post. I also know from experience that the Antipodean mindset Is a lot different to that of, say, the US; You boys tend to say It how It Is and bugger offending anyone, that's how you treat each other and expect the rest of the world to be the same. It's just that sometimes people don't realise that Mate.

Anyway, I hope this get's resolved now and that you tell us your side of things without feeling you have to defend your mate.

Best Regards, Guy.

[Patrick Dempsey]

A topic and concern raised, an element of debate, and a rebuttal from the lister/seller. I think each members minds have been made up regarding this matter.

As Spike and Buddha have pointed out, at no point was the thread an attempt to belittle or lessen any veterans service and i can detect no malice or hidden motive in the original intent of Buddha in posting the topic.Many of the points articulated by Spike are also indicative of why a negative view of the items has been formed.

To my mind (and i think it is clear to see) a collector merely asked for a review of some items from his peers as a scholarly exercise. In short the very point of a discussion forum.

I know It looks a bit like a witch hunt and when you're on the receiving end it feels like It too but nothing Is further from the truth. People here are motivated by a desire to learn and to add nice Items to their collections, not to start personally motivated battles with hidden agendas.

Exactly.

[AK101]

I have seen this type of shirt back in Saigon Dan-Sinh war market early last year January 2009 for about 1.2 million VND (about 65 usd at that time). ARVN ERDL material quite easy to find and cheap.

Good info, thanks. For all you fellas that get to these places how about some pics of what is out there and being made as we speak....

I recall a thread here w/ pics from the 80's of stuff being made for sale.