Anyone have any photos of the M18's that the Germans converted post war to the cut out specs or is this a myth?
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And I think this is a repro helmet not a conversion. Anyone else?
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Yes that's a 100% repro or fake or made to get money out of our pockets or...
I don't know about M18 helmets beïng reworked to cut outs after WW1, but at least there were made new ones in the 20's. They were not only made in size 64 but other sizes were also made. I must have an article about that somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment...
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I am sure the helmet in the ebay auction is bad too. The seller was told it seas one of the helmets made in the 20's. He paid 300 in his currency for it.
I just wonder if they made the cut outs in the 20's from scratch or using M18's sitting in the Military storehouses.
Speaking of Cut outs check out this looker on the E stand,
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=731154Comment
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I have no facts to back up my thoughts.. but..
It takes far more more time and effort to rework an object into something it wasnt meant to be... to me the idea makes no sense from a business point of view.
Especially if you have warehouses with already made M16-M18's (including cut out models).Comment
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What was the specific reason for the cut outs on the original helmets?..... Just curiousComment
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AdlerOriginally posted by Adler 1 View Post
I've changed my opinion on those apart from the obvious fakes I now say not WW1, it would appear some helms were modified postwar from archive pictures I'd be interested in the article.
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I think they did it because of noise inside the shell causing head injuries you can use a W1 phone with a reg helm easily enough, if you don't believe me try with or without a helm right next to someone discharging their weapon! plus it would be a big deal to start producing an entirely new helmet at that time.
deaf un dumb EricLast edited by Hoss; 04-07-2014, 12:29 PM.Comment
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Yes, a nice helmet. However, it makes me laugh how the seller has come up with the totally arbitrary number of only 30 helmets remaining today - based on no evidence whatsoever!!Originally posted by PlaceOfBayonets View PostComment
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While I may not agree with his details I think that helmet, being re issued with new paint but keeping the original liner and chin strap system is pretty rare.Originally posted by Seigfried View Post
There may only new a few dozen still around.Comment
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Probably what the seller means wouldn't know, am I only one thats feels miffed when I see one done up in TR?
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I've never seen any supporting documentation as to why the cut-out version was designed and produced. I've seen it called the "cavalry" version, or the "telegrapher's" version for reasons noted above. It may also just have been because, also as noted above, that the full skirt muffled noise which could be a problem in the trenches. Before the reproductions became available, about 25 years ago I modified a couple of M-16 shells into the M-18 design for reenactment purposes (the shells were a dime-a-dozen back then - sorry!). They looked great and I had an original in my hands at the time to work from. However, I left the interior surfaces sloppy and clearly showing the welds so no-one could ever mistake them for the real thing or modify them to improve their appearance. The two biggest details the fakers get wrong is the slight outward flare of the cut-out and it's size. The flare is missing 75% of the time and 90% of the time they get the dimensions of the cut-out all wrong. It's the "good" fakes we need to worry about and I'm sure they're out there. However, the one shown in the photo in this discussion is clearly not one of the "good" fakes!Comment
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From what I read and there does not seem to be anything conclusive but practically speaking the cut out was done so the men could better hear orders from officers and NCO's. It's hard enough to hear at a distance with the doctrine calling for dispersed infantry attacks and the drum of battle without putting a helmet on their heads that covers the ears.
I wonder why they did not consider a sort of salt shaker kind of pattern of small holes in the area they cut out instead. Maybe that would have been the next development, the "M19 salt shaker"
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You mean something like this?
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As far as I know the only ones that are real are the ones marked "ET 64". Is there new evidence supporting other sizes now? I doubt there is and I would only buy a ET 64 that has a few idiosyncrasies.
Best Wishes,
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[QUOTE=Adler 1;6374246]You mean something like this?
Adler 1
wow a pod helm for tunes cool!
William you're kidding right man I just finished a W1 book the grunts couldn't hear a darn thing during battle when I'm in the coin I'll send it to you mate, I've read the thing at least ten times lol!
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