Help with picklehaube cover with REg numbers

[Spanish Freiwillige]

Hi, for quite a while I have been wanting to get a cover with regimental numbers, and have this one on hold, could you please give me your coments just to be 100% sure its ok

My Thanks in advance

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Imper...s/G009166.html

[Mainemilitaria]

It appears to be a nice original cover.....of course "hands on" inspection always necessary.....but it looks fine. Remember, these came in differant sizes so be sure it fits, if your buying it for a particular helmet (and streching it can do much damage!).

You could probably find one for less money but without the Regimental numbers....or more age....but this ones a beauty!
John G.

[Spanish Freiwillige]

well, since this are quite rare, I am buying the cover first and then an early war pickelhaube to go with it!!

Thanks of the input,

any other opinions??

[Chip M]

The cover appears to be good, but I am not so sure about the numbers. they look to have been cut out of felt, where they normally were a thinner wool. Issue ones were cut with dies and these don't look exactly like issue ones. They may be OK, and as said, a closer inspection would really help. I would for sure put a blacklight on them. Machine stitch application was more common on issue examples, so in my estimation, hand stitching would be somewhat suspect.

Does the cover have any ink stamps?

You would be paying a huge premium for these numbers, so best to be skeptical.

Back in the 1980's I found a small lot of original green and red loose cover numbers at a table at the Stuttgart show. Here are a few you can use to compare with the ones on this cover. I have shown the front and the back of the ones I have duplicates of. You can see that they are flat across the bottom edge. They also all have a substance on the back side, which I imagine is some sort of stiffner/coating that helped in the cutting process. I'm not saying that these are the only types there were, only that I believe that these were the regulation ones and more what one would expect to see on an issued cover.

Good luck,
Chip

[Hoss]

Cover looks fine although I,d inspect the cloth with a loop. It appears to be for a tall spiked helmet. Numbers have been added to inflate the price, probably by a previous owner imho.
The price is outrageous.

Eric

[Spanish Freiwillige]

Thanks for all the replies, so... do you believe its a tampered piece? Because if it is I dont believe I want to spend that ammount.....

only if its a 100% original

any more opinions??

[C. Roelens]

Looks like there's an outline of the number 6 under the 7. I also believe these numbers were added to this cover, and are not original to it. Save your money for one you will not have to second guess. Most of the items listed on this site are grossly over inflated.

Chuck

[RelicHunter]

Looks like there's an outline of the number 6 under the 7. I also believe these numbers were added to this cover, and are not original to it. Save your money for one you will not have to second guess. Most of the items listed on this site are grossly over inflated.

Chuck

Definitely agree. You can clearly see the outline of where the 6 used to be. It's so blatant it makes me question why the Collector's Guild isn't questioning the authenticity of this one.

I have seen numbers that look like these in the picture in reference photos, but I still think there is something odd going on with it. Best not to risk it when you have a thousand bucks on the line.

Also, ask yourself what type of helmet cover you want. If you're really only looking for one, do you want one that was more likely field used, or pre-war?

These red numbers weren't regulation during the war. Even if this one was legit and managed to continue being used beyond the 1914 regulation change to green numbers, rarely will you see photos of troops actually wearing these numbers in the field, especially the red ones. They're like targets right on your head.

If you're looking for a nice war time display, either get a nice blank cover with the removable spike top and chin strap holes, or get a cover with green numbers (painted or stitched).

Also, as it regards this specific example you linked, it may be possible that it did once have numbers on it (ending with a 6) and in 1916, when it was ordered that all numbers be removed, these numbers were removed. The outline does sometimes remain even from that long ago. So again, its likely someone added red numbers to it years later. Which is a shame, because its much more interesting without the numbers and the outline of the previous numbers on it. That would be some genuine history.

[AJ]

Hi,

I'm not convinced regarding the cover in qeustion. The spike look to high and tall for an enlisted mans helmet?

Here is mine from Train Batl. 8 for comparison.

[Spanish Freiwillige]

Thanks for all your help I think I ´m going to let this one go, and wait for another one that is beyond a doubt.......

[Spanish Freiwillige]

Ok, I passed on the one I posted earlier, but how about this one??

I really want a cover with regimental numbers......

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Imper...s/G008966.html

[RelicHunter]

Ok, I passed on the one I posted earlier, but how about this one??

I really want a cover with regimental numbers......

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Imper...s/G008966.html

That one looks pretty original to me. It's definitely a pre-war model.

Caution though, and it depends on your interest, because you mentioned you'd buy a pickelhaube based on the cover; this is an artillery cover, so it would require a pickelhaube with the ball top artillery spike.

[Spanish Freiwillige]

That one looks pretty original to me. It's definitely a pre-war model.

Caution though, and it depends on your interest, because you mentioned you'd buy a pickelhaube based on the cover; this is an artillery cover, so it would require a pickelhaube with the ball top artillery spike.

Thanks, for the quick reply, I already have a war tiem cover wthout numbers on an prussian infantry M15. so maybe an artillery one will fit the collection good....

hope it is still avilable

[Spanish Freiwillige]

Unfortunatelly the artilery one is sold, so I am left with the question weather to buy the cover in question or not, please point me to the right direction I really want a cover with REG numbers and I seldom see them for sale.....

[RelicHunter]

Unfortunatelly the artilery one is sold, so I am left with the question weather to buy the cover in question or not, please point me to the right direction I really want a cover with REG numbers and I seldom see them for sale.....

I'd say don't do it. I know the temptation to have something right now, but you'll be happier if you wait. Something better will eventually come along. The one we were discussing first has more likely than not been messed with by someone along the way, and its not worth what you'd be paying for it.