An interesting Named Sawback bayo "balloon service" for discussion

[Jumper]

An interesting Named Sawback bayo "balloon service" for discussion

Greetings,

I recently picked this up because I do love named pieces.

Very hard to read but I did my best to type it out.

On one side it has

D. Offz Korps d. feld luftschiffer Abt 12 z. Erga.d. feldzug 1914-1915

On the other

Leutnant Herbert Schreiterer

I did a bit of "googling" and I believe this from an officer in the Feldluftschiffer Abteilung 12. Is that correct?

I also looked for the Lt but no luck

Does anyone have much more info on this named bayo, unit and officer?

Next question: Ive owned a few WW1 German bayos and some have the metal parts painted black.. Like this one..

What does that mean?

The frog has no marking on it.

thanks for any info.

[Jumper]

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[Jumper]

I did find this site

Feldluftschiffer Abteilung 12

https://archiveowl.wordpress.com/tag/luftschiff/

[Gerdan]

Jumper, I think this should be your guy:

http://www.historikus-vogtland.de/hi...5/Seite-16.pdf

Gerdan

[Jumper]

Very cool. Danke

What is that document? Sorry my German is quite rusty..HA

It would be interesting to get them together

Cheers J

[Jumper]

Greetings,

Would it possible for someone to translate the writing on the bayo?

I was able to pull out Feldluftschiffer Abteilung 12

What is "Erga.d. feldzug "?

Also any thoughts on the black paint?

[Gerdan]

The writing on the bayo

The abbreviation is: " ...12 z.(ur) Erg. (Erinnerung) a.(n) d.(en) Feldzug 1914 - 15 "

Translation: -- in memory of the Campaign 1914-15

Gerdan

[Söderbaum]

Hi Jumper

I am rather certain that Herbert Schreiterer was born 20.08.1882 in Reichenbach, Plauen so he was apparently an Saxon.
He joined Schweren Regiment 19 on 01.10.1902

I am unsure when he was promoted to Lt dR as it exists more candidates with that last name. One Walter Schreiterer who might have been a brother served also within the Air Force.

Herbert do have an file in BAMA Freiburg so you can probably find more info on his service and awards there.

FLA 12 apparently served in the Yser area until the Verdun battle started in early 1916.

Gunnar

[Gerdan]

The document is a copy of a confirmation of insurance for Herbert Schreiterer, Fabrikbesitzer

(factory owner), dated 18 August 1909 the day of his balloon ride.

Insurance sum: 20.000 Mark in case of death and 20.000 Mark in case of invalidity , 20 Mark

payment of daily rent.

Insurance fee: 30 Mark

Place of payment: Plauen i.(m) V.(ogtland), 16 August 1909

sign. "

Gerdan

[Jumper]

I would love to find out more about this fellow.

I have heard that Robert McDivit ?? does research for WW2 German.


Has anyone hired an Imperial Research for WW1 soldier?

If so, pls share with the class...HA

Cheers J

[sb98]

Some bayonets from this time period had black painted hilts, it was sort of a style back then. The scabbard should be black too, either painted or blued (heavily cleaned?). The frog is a WWII era piece, the aluminum rivets are any easy giveaway.

[Gary Symonds]

I knew that the Germans used these in WW1, but my understanding was the saw tooths were banned by the Hague Convention, just as so called dum dum bullets, hollow points to Americans, that expanded on impact, were also banned.

That is why all military bullets are fully jacketed.

[sb98]

If you're interested to see if the scabbard is original to the bayonet you could check the location of the scabbard throat screw, is it on the side or the front. It may be a WWII era scabbard to go with the WWII era frog. It looks like it doesn't have any grooves on the frog stud, most WWI era scabbards had grooves on the frog stud but some WWII era scabbards are found without the grooves. The location of the throat screw would be an easy way to tell for sure if it was later (it will be on the side). Not the end of the world, but for a nice bayonet it may be with removing the frog and replacing the scabbard with one from the period if it turns out it's a WWII one.

[Jumper]

Hey folks.

Didnt know about the screw placement telling what era. I have to assume (see the pics) that it is WW2 era since the screw (which is missing) is on the side.

The obvious give away.. is that is says on the other side.. 1939 HA!

You can see under the frog that it was a nice blued scabbard

CLEMEN JUNG

I guess the soldier lost his original scabbard and got a replacement.

Anything else about the scabbard/frog?

Thanks for the info.

Cheers J