Beamten research material

[PaulChep]

I am trying to find soem ranklists for Beamtens. Does anyone have any or know what the titles are?

[McCulloh]

Try Glenn or Rick. they have some rarer lists.

[Glenn2438]

Militär-Beamten

Paul,

they are are indeed rare!

They are to be found in the Siekmann's Taschenkalendar für Beamte der Militärverwaltung (II. Teil)

Also:

Rangliste der Intendanturbeamten des Deutschen Reichsheeres, der Kaiserlichen Marine und des Reichs-Kolonial-Amts für .....

Kriegsrangliste der Intendanturbeamten des Heeres, der Marine und der Schutztruppen

Regards
Glenn

[PaulChep]

Thanks Glenn.

[Glenn2438]

Beamte

Paul,

are you looking for anybody in particular?

Regards
Glenn

[PaulChep]

Glenn, Not anyone in particular. I am researching a bar.

[joerookery]

I have some interesting statistics on Beamte. For infantry regiments alone there were 2207 Beamte. These were indicted people, and part of the 487,000 slots available. This included 414,000 enlisted folks, 54,700 noncommissioned officers, and 14,700 officers. Officers made a 3%, noncommissioned officers 11%, and Beamte less than 1%.

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This is not include any kind of Beamte in any sort of organization outside of infantry regiments. One interesting point, I found was that unter zahlmeister were considered to be NCOs as well as Beamte. I'm not sure if this was some sort of a typo or recognition of their service.

[Glenn2438]

Unterzahlmeister

Hi Joe,

One interesting point, I found was that unter zahlmeister were considered to be NCOs as well as Beamte. I'm not sure if this was some sort of a typo or recognition of their service.[/

The Unterzahlmeister remained in NCO (Soldier) status until appointed as a Zahlmeister at which time he became an official of the Military Administration. He was not considered as an official whilst still in the rank of Unterzahlmeister.

Regards
Glenn

[webr55]

Glenn,
I once read about a rank "Zahlmeister-Aspirant". Was there such a rank in Imperial times, and if so, did they still have it in WW1?

Thanks
Chris

[webr55]

And what about "Zahlmeister-Anwärter" or "Zahlmeister-Stellvertreter"?

Regards
Chris

[Glenn2438]

Zahlmeisteraspirant

Hi Chris,

Was there such a rank in Imperial times, and if so, did they still have it in WW1?

Yes, since 1906 the established candidates for the Zahmeister career were titled Unterzahlmeister whereas the Zahlmeisteraspirant was a supernumery appointment who holders wore normal regimental uniform. Prior to that time the Unterzahlmeister was known as a Zahlmeisteraspirant.

The Zahlmeister-Stellvertreter was a wartime development. These individuals wore the uniform of the Unterzahlmeister but the braid on the shoulder strap completely surrounded the strap (like the Wehrmacht Unterfeldwebel). I have not heard of the Zahlmeister-Anwärter but of a Zahlmeister-Applikant which was the title of those yet to pass an examination prior to appointment to the rank of Unterzahlmeister.

Regards
Glenn

[joerookery]

There always seems to be this desire to call a zahlmeister a paymaster. Perhaps Glenn can shed a lot of light on this one. But I know that their function was more logistics in nature than pay.

[Glenn2438]

Zahlmeister

There always seems to be this desire to call a zahlmeister a paymaster. Perhaps Glenn can shed a lot of light on this one. But I know that their function was more logistics in nature than pay.

Agreed Joe,

I think I have posted something on this before. I would equate the function of the German Zahlmeister more with that of a British Army Quartermaster at battalion/regimental level combined with those tasks of a paymaster. He was responsible for clothing, messing, pay and other related functions.

Although prior to 1854 they were known as Rechnungsführer in the Prussian Army, the Bavarians had used the more suitable title Quartiermeister until 1872 when they adopted the Prussian title.

Regards
Glenn