German tunic WW1?

[partisan]

Hello,
first thing: I say excuse for my bad english.
I post the images of a tunic. I didn't bought it from dealers or collectors but I have founded many years ago, in a warehouse of old dressed and woven, military and civil and I have acquired the tunic for few moneies.
I know that all this is not a guarantee but is a positive fact!
The tunic would seem a German jacket mod.15/16, is it modified, perhaps for a civil use or perhaps in years 20 for the new German army or can also be an individual modification or can be a war simplification?
I didn't changed buttons, I changed nothing; I only added the hank and the shoulders, because there was the sign of this but they was missing (but is it possible that in the end of war Germany producted jacket without shoulders?).There aren't sleevecuff, but I know that a the end of war, in Germany produced tunic without sleevecuff, or can also be an individual modification !
In the 4th image of inner sleeve, you can see the green cloth, Is it possible that tis was the collar cloth
and somebody removed it and added to inner sleeves? Or is it a Bavarian tunic (without collar cloth)
but in this case the buttons on the pocket aren't correct.
The inner lining is a strange color and has only two pocket closed by a little button but the inner lining is marked but are illegibles,
I only can see a numer 1 and a numer 3.
I would want to have an opinion of the experts of the forum: it can be a jacket original from the war 1914-1918?
I thanks who will want to help me.
Very best regards

[McCulloh]

I am no tunic expert-but these jackets were readily available even 15 years ago for @$20. Nobody collected them. Original Bluses were used as film props and occasionally still pop up on ebay. So a point in its favour.
Still-it looks in great condition. Tony? ......Kaiser?? What do you guys think?

[Dave Mosher]

It appears to be an original M15 prussian or M16 bavarian bluse that has been modified a bit. The barrel cuffs have been removed, and if prussian, it was possibly used to make the current collar and the original besatztuch collar was used inside the sleeve. Obviously the sleeve linings have been replaced, and from the pictures, the body lining may be replaced,too. Can you send a picture of the markings that were in the tunic? Also, either prussian or bavarian, the buttons and belt ramps would be correct.

Regards

Dave

[Chip M]

partisan,

In order to make a better judgement as to whether this tunic has the original collar or not, it would be necessary to see the underside. This might show the stitching pattern and if the collar closure tab and buttons are present. From what you have shown, this looks like a later war (1918) Bavarian tunic.

Some of the early Bavarian Blusen had Bavarian buttons, though they were supposed to have the universal crown buttons. I think they eventually switched to these. I see no problem with a Bavarian example having crown buttons.

I would like to see a close-up of the side belt support hooks, as they don't look right from what I can see now. The lining in the sleeves is no problem, as many civilian materials were used to fabricate uniforms in 1918 due to the shortages of cotton. I have a 1918 Prussian Bluse that is entirely lined in a black cotton cloth with white pinstripes! The only normal gray lining material in it is a small patch that was sewn into the chest so that the size stamping could be made and seen.

It is difficult to guess about the cuffs. They are definitely not regulation as of 1916, but the Bavarians had simplified the standard cuffs on the previous model tunic, so it might not be far-fetched to say that this also could be a wartime expedient or material saver.

Like Dave, I would like to see a few more pictures. This might help to answer some of the questions and clarify the overall picture.

Regards,
Chip

[partisan]

German tunic

Hello,
tanks you very much for yours reply.
I try to photograph the mark but nothing is visible on photo, they are very light... sorry.
I post 3 images about the back of collar, the collar closure tab and buttons are not present but in the same position there are sign. I don't know...only hope that the photos help you to uderstand this tunic. If the tunic is bavarian I must change the shoulder?
Thanks and best regards.
partisan

[Chip M]

partisan,

The stitching on the back of the collar looks just like the stitching on my issue Bavarian Bluse. The only difference is the lack of the closure tab and button and the way the material is folded over around the edge. I cannot see what shoulder straps you currently have on the tunic, so I cannot say if they are correct or not. Bavarian M15 straps are much harder to find than Prussian examples, as you would imagine.
Regards,
Chip

[partisan]

Hi,
and thank you to Chip Minx, feldgrau dave and McCulloh for the answers, thank you very much.
But is it possible to arrive at one conclusion? In your opinion is it an original german tunic from WW1? (100%? 90%? 80%? 50% ? ) can you in say in percentual how much it is original?
Just for my idea.
Thank you and regards to alls-
partisan

[Chip M]

partisan,
From the pictures you have shown us, I would say that this is 100% a German WWI enlisted Bluse. I think it is safe to say that it has been modified, but from the looks of it, it could very well have been done during the period.

Chip