1813 Iron Cross with COA !

[frankandfrank]

[frankandfrank]

The COA from Jörg Niemann Munich !!!!

Horror COA !!!

[gregM]

IMO, the cross is not worth the cost of the paper that
the COA is written on.

[adren]

Atleast we can now add Jörg Nimmergut to crooked dealer list for future reference.

Best Regards,

Adren

[kid74]

Atleast we can now add Jörg Nimmergut to crooked dealer list for future reference.

Best Regards,

Adren

The certificate may be fake (IMO). Here it's sad.

WR Kirill

[Montgomery Burns]

Niemann COA's where faked as well ..


its the normal dealing in collector world .....wont wake me up




regards kay

[streptile]

Reminds me of this thread.

[Jeff V]

A Nimmergut COA has always been useful as asswipe. Not good for anything else, in fact, I can't recall an original piece ever posted on WAF with a Nimmergut COA.

[Valentino]

Atleast we can now add Jörg Nimmergut to crooked dealer list for future reference.

Best Regards,

Adren

Is or was Nimmergut really a Dealer?

[Rangemaster]

Hello:

Who is to say that this is the cross that actually went with the COA??
The COA of course could easily be forged.

Best regards,

[gregM]

10 years ago or so, there was a whole rash of bogus crosses with
Nimmergut COAs.

[Montgomery Burns]

A Nimmergut COA has always been useful as asswipe. Not good for anything else, in fact, I can't recall an original piece ever posted on WAF with a Nimmergut COA.

harsh words Jeff ,,,,,

have not seen you contribute much in imperial so far ?,,,, first time ? ,,

so far ,,if it comes to Iron crosses COA
I seen a lot of good COA's of DN ,,about Iron crosses.
also BAD ones,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but not as much as any other dealer around at the time .
and not more as any modern dealer today .....

second ,,the concept of dealers COA's is often misunderstood ,,,, so I can see in you're comment .


regards kay

[Jeff V]

Hi Kay, not lost. I don't post here because I am not much of an Imperial collector but I am always interested about the 1813 crosses and read all the threads. Am I wrong about Nimmergut? Does he actually have some knowledge of Imperial pieces? I can tell you every time I see a fake with one of his COAs it is a third reich piece.
jeff

[Montgomery Burns]

Hi Kay, not lost. I don't post here because I am not much of an Imperial collector but I am always interested about the 1813 crosses and read all the threads. Am I wrong about Nimmergut? Does he actually have some knowledge of Imperial pieces? I can tell you every time I see a fake with one of his COAs it is a third reich piece.
jeff

hey Jeff ,,About nimmergut ,,I hear that he started as a knowledgeable expert with good COA's ,,

only as the big money came in ,,things did go bad .

about Detlev ,,I gave you my opinion ,,

But keep in mind ,,the concept of a dealers COA is not about actual truth .

regards kay

[Montgomery Burns]

nice you are interested so much about ek 1813 ,,,how that happened ,,?

you're field lies in a complete different direction ?


R,kay