Paul Baumer Estate

[fusches]

I would like to ask the membership if anyone knows what happened to the estate
of Paul Baumer after his death in 1927.?
As Germany's 9th highest scoring WW1 Luftwaffe Ace I would hope his awards and other related items are held in an institution somewhere?

[pzrwest]

Wasn't the main character in the old B&W movie All Quiet On The Western Front also called Paul Baumer?

[muzrub]

Hi mate,

I don't know about his awards, but there is some thing interesting about his name as pzrwest pointed out.

After the war, Bäumer worked briefly in the dockyards before he became a dentist, and reportedly one of his patients, Erich Maria Remarque, used Bäumer's name for the protagonist of his antiwar novel All Quiet on the Western Front.

Continuing his interest in flying, he founded his own aircraft company in Hamburg. Bäumer died in an air crash at Copenhagen on 15 July 1927, age 31, while test flying a Rohrbach Ro IX fighter.

Cheers.

[ccj]

There's a dealer who has an EKI named such but I dont think it was Baumer's ek. It's a port war ek...

[streptile]

Not to mention an obviously fake engraving...

[Elmar Lang]

In my opinion, the naming looks like recently engraved with a pantograph and with a font not in use in the time.

E.L.

[Brian L.]

In my opinion, the naming looks like recently engraved with a pantograph and with a font not in use in the time.

E.L.

You're half right. But, that font, which is from the Fraktur font family was in use from the late 19th century onwards. Also, the cross likely dates from after Bäumer died. So, it couldn't be his. Anyway, who would legitimately engrave such a comparatively low-end cross?

[fusches]

Can you post an image of the Font please, how do you know it was used late 19th century, which of course is post both wars.

[fusches]

You're half right. But, that font, which is from the Fraktur font family was in use from the late 19th century onwards. Also, the cross likely dates from after Bäumer died. So, it couldn't be his. Anyway, who would legitimately engrave such a comparatively low-end cross?

The provenance attribution is an age old fraudsters trick. If proven fraudulent.

[Jean-Claude]

Can you post an image of the Font please, how do you know it was used late 19th century, which of course is post both wars.

I think you are mixed up in your centuries: I often mix them up too ... The 19th century is the 1800's and both world wars occured in the 20th century (1900s) so I agree with Brian that the "Fractur" typefont predates both wars.

Having been involved in printing and typesetting for most of my working years I can add that Fraktur is in fact much older than a 19th century font: it dates back to the late middle age!(late 1400's) It was always very popular in german speaking states and, as a result of this popularity it evolved in many variations over the years making "Fraktur" more of a "family" of typefonts than a specific typefont per say.

JC

[ccj]

I would think the seller should know who the pilot was it fails to mention. I think it's a later period EK1.
I would have reason to doubt but it's possible it was a gift. I wouldn't pay more than $250 because its most likely not Baumers.

[Brian L.]

I think you are mixed up in your centuries: I often mix them up too ... The 19th century is the 1800's and both world wars occured in the 20th century (1900s) so I agree with Brian that the "Fractur" typefont predates both wars.

Having been involved in printing and typesetting for most of my working years I can add that Fraktur is in fact much older than a 19th century font: it dates back to the late middle age!(late 1400's) It was always very popular in german speaking states and, as a result of this popularity it evolved in many variations over the years making "Fraktur" more of a "family" of typefonts than a specific typefont per say.

JC

Correct. I mentioned late-19th century for this specific typeface of the Fraktur font family because it is a modernized, simplified version developed during the Art Nouveau period from 1890-1910. It's similar to Plakatt Fraktur typeface. But, is still different in some key details.

Fakers usually screw-up whenever they use typefaces in fake engraving or on fake documents because they don't know the history.

[fusches]

I think you are mixed up in your centuries: I often mix them up too ... The 19th century is the 1800's and both world wars occured in the 20th century (1900s) so I agree with Brian that the "Fractur" typefont predates both wars.

Having been involved in printing and typesetting for most of my working years I can add that Fraktur is in fact much older than a 19th century font: it dates back to the late middle age!(late 1400's) It was always very popular in german speaking states and, as a result of this popularity it evolved in many variations over the years making "Fraktur" more of a "family" of typefonts than a specific typefont per say.

JC

Then it could be correct, and used later. Yes I mean’t to re state 19c as 1800.
Isn’t there use of this font during both wars?

[fusches]

Correct. I mentioned late-19th century for this specific typeface of the Fraktur font family because it is a modernized, simplified version developed during the Art Nouveau period from 1890-1910. It's similar to Plakatt Fraktur typeface. But, is still different in some key details.

Fakers usually screw-up whenever they use typefaces in fake engraving or on fake documents because they don't know the history.

Yes that is partly correct, but sometimes they get it spot on, see fake KM Clock Dial Plates. Regarding the seller not mentioning more about Paul Baumer, its all engraved
on the EC. I feel he’s made a reserved statement about the piece, letting the potential buyer research the provenance.
PLUS he offers a full guarantee on authenticity. Fakers do not.

I am still unconvinced with the remarks proving its a fake.
But I’ll reserve my judgement until it can be proven to be a fake with irrefutable evidence to prove it is.

[Brian L.]

Yes that is partly correct, but sometimes they get it spot on, see fake KM Clock Dial Plates. Regarding the seller not mentioning more about Paul Baumer, its all engraved
on the EC. I feel he’s made a reserved statement about the piece, letting the potential buyer research the provenance.
PLUS he offers a full guarantee on authenticity. Fakers do not.

I am still unconvinced with the remarks proving its a fake.
But I’ll reserve my judgement until it can be proven to be a fake with irrefutable evidence to prove it is.

Unless you're a typographer, you wouldn't see the problems.