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    EK2 one piece 30mm Prinzen for your review

    I saw pieces like these here on WAF, or offered on weitze.net, but it is always good to hear confirmation that this is one-piece prinzen, not patriotica or mini.

    Honestly, I never liked these pieces from the pics, but I must say that in hand and without paint it looks far better than expected. The detail is so crisp...
    Hope you like it.

    Miro
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    I really like the looks of this one

    Years ago, I offered up a one piece as a Prinzen and was
    told by the old timers here that a Prinzen was a 3 piece
    miniature duplicate of a known cross and that my 1 piece
    was a mini.

    Not what I wanted to hear.
    Last edited by gregM; 12-01-2013, 09:45 AM.

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      #3
      It is not only about construction, because we know many accepted one-piece normal size EKs, but it´s about dimensions as well. Something as big as 30 mm can´t be considered as mini.

      I think this is quite good thread about Prinzen versus minis. Cross like this is there in EK2 and EK1 version as well.

      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ece+prinzen+EK

      Miro

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        #4
        Any other opinions?

        Thanks in advance

        Miro

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          [QUOTE=Miro O;6175155]It is not only about construction, because we know many accepted one-piece normal size EKs, but it´s about dimensions as well. Something as big as 30 mm can´t be considered as mini.

          I think this is quite good thread about Prinzen versus minis. Cross like this is there in EK2 and EK1 version as well.

          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ece+prinzen+EK

          Miro
          because we know many accepted one-piece normal size EKs ?


          I think there's hiding a wider perspective here . ( especially in term of normal size rewarded crosses )

          there is no proof of these 1914 one peace normal size constructions being rewarded crosses ever           ,,,

          to me they are patriotic propaganda items in the form of a Iron cross. theatre props , book decoration , cheep flag pole parts , cheep memorabilia fore allied soldiers and grave stone decoration , children toy's . pure fake attempts of old times and modern times , and so much more I do not mention.

          bottom line ,,1914 one peace normal size Iron crosses are,,
          Iron cross like products of an unknown purpose ,,producing period often unknown or highly speculative .

          certainly not rewarded crosses,,,so accepted is a bit ,,,hmmm

          the prinzen size cross starting this discussion is also in the line of what I mention .

          and of unknown purpose,,,impossible to know if it would be period or modern time produced .

          at least its convincing in its design ,,,,are you sure the dimensions are correct ?
          as it is looking more as a mini to me


          regards kay
          Last edited by Montgomery Burns; 12-07-2013, 08:00 AM.

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            #6
            ps

            be careful with one peace miniature crosses and medals as well as prinzen type's and reductions of medals ,,

            they already being faked . including chains and bars .









            kay









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              #7
              Are these one piece medals cast or die struct?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Miro O View Post
                Any other opinions?

                Thanks in advance

                Miro
                A true Prinzen cross was a smaller version of it's full sized counter part
                and was made to be worn on the uniform.

                Too me, the one starting this thread does not look like one that would
                be accepted on a uniform.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by pzrwest View Post
                  Are these one piece medals cast or die struct?
                  Surely struck, if you notice the crispness of detail, mainly numerals and crown.

                  Miro

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
                    ,,,are you sure the dimensions are correct ?
                    as it is looking more as a mini to me

                    regards kay

                    Surely 30 mm.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gregM View Post
                      A true Prinzen cross was a smaller version of it's full sized counter part
                      and was made to be worn on the uniform.

                      Too me, the one starting this thread does not look like one that would
                      be accepted on a uniform.

                      Of course, this is not issue condition. Here are better examples from Weitze and from mentioned WAF thread. The enamelled piece was found on medal bar, which is strong argument for me.

                      Miro
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                        #12
                        , surprising..

                        say a oversized mini of unknown origin and purpose ,, in one occasion emailed and used on a bar

                        ,, I can not make more of it

                        at least we have a potential producers time frame with this

                        should a prinzen not be around 34mm ?







                        kay
                        Last edited by Montgomery Burns; 12-07-2013, 11:47 AM.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
                          should a prinzen not be around 34mm ?

                          kay
                          34 mm or 27 mm. +/-

                          This one is exception.

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                            #14
                            Slightly off topic -
                            here is another accepted one-piece construction EK prinzen. Zincer.

                            Miro
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                              #15
                              My opinion: if the EK is 25-38mm, made before 1945, got 1914 and rest of cyphers like a normal size EK then it's a prinzen/reduktion.

                              Like the thread starter, mainly because it matches other one piece Reduktion i believe is period.

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