PRUSSIAN ORDER OF THE RED EAGLE 4th CLASS FOR REVIEW

[Military Antiques Toronto]

Hi All,

I was hoping for some help on this item, there have been some concerns with it, so I wanted to make sure of it.

As always, thank you for your help.

Dave.

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[Military Antiques Toronto]

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[streptile]

Hi Dave,

Many thanks for posting this. The RAO4 is supposed to be a valuable early type (1854-1879) but it's actually a known fake. Authentic pieces of this type can bring up to $750, so it's an attractive one to fake (as opposed to WWI types, which sell for about half that). On the fake the eagle painting is crude and the quality is not up to scratch. Here's a comparison of eagle medallions.

[streptile]

Here's another example of the type yours wants to be.

[CSForrester]

Trevor is right. This version was already descriped as a fake in Orden & Militaria-Magazin Nr. 75 from December 1996 in an article written by Dr. Sauerwald.
Beside the poor eagle-painting, the big ball suspension is a first sign for alert.
Take a view on the surface through a microscope, you will see that the cross and the medaillons (they are made seperate, right ?) are casted.
Also the "golden" parts of the eagle are not painted correctly, they were first painted in yellow and some gold-dust was added before covering with varnish.
The same faker made also 3rd classes and both classes with swords.

Regards
Markus

[Military Antiques Toronto]

Thank you as always for your help. Trevor, thank you for posting the side by side examples of the real and fake Order.

Dave.

[römischIX]

Sorry i watched your shop - You have some mistakes inside.

S-W is not sylvester wagner, it`s SY and Wagner Berlin Hofjuweliere,

The württemberg FO is not a grand cross, its a knight 2nd. class late
war typ. (silver gilt)

is the godet piece really marked 935/1000 ?

The bar with the golden military merit cross + i.c. on non combatant ribbon
couldn`t be period...

[morel5000]

Sorry i watched your shop - You have some mistakes inside.

S-W is not sylvester wagner, it`s SY and Wagner Berlin Hofjuweliere,

The württemberg FO is not a grand cross, its a knight 2nd. class late
war typ. (silver gilt)

is the godet piece really marked 935/1000 ?

The bar with the golden military merit cross + i.c. on non combatant ribbon
couldn`t be period...
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Better PM such stuff.

[Montgomery Burns]

Things like ,,,,,,

(Bavarian (German) Iron Cross 1st Class "800" and "Prinz Alfons" WWI
Flawless, top quality silver decoration engraved for Prinz Alfons of Bavaria who was also General der Kavalrie. Screwback variant with all the orig/correct devices.)

I would have a closer ( critical ) look at .










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[streptile]

No problem Dave. Happy to help.

[Military Antiques Toronto]

Thank you all for your feedback, we are always striving to make our website better for collectors. Changes to errors in items have been made to make our site a better experience. I am always looking for feedback on the site and will take all comments very seriously. I would prefer issues brought to my attention via PM and if there are issues with any specific items I will vet them in the appropriate forum for discussion.

This is what I love about this community, the constructive help that is offered to all on the WAF, something that I try to help collectors with as much as possible.

Dave.

[carlosR]

Very heartening to see a dealer willing to put his items on the forum for discussion and be willing to accept the bad news so gracefully. I'll definitely be browsing your site.
Carlos

[carlosR]

I mean "shopping" your site!