Officer's Ribbon bar 1870

[John Skandalis]

This ribbon bar, arrived today.

a. EK2 1870
b. 25 years long service
c. 1870/1871 KDM
d. 1866 Königgrätz/Main-Armee/Treuen Kriegern
e. Saxe-Ernestine House Order, Knights Cross 1st or 2nd class with swords. (you can see the hole for the missing swords)

[John Skandalis]

Reverse

[John Skandalis]

I will search in the 1894 ranklist to seek for a match. Maybe a Major?

[Rick Research]

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[Daniel Krause]

Lucky guy!!! I missed the end of the auction, otherwise....
If a Captain / Major awarded just the XXV and waiting for his Red Eagle 4 it will be a long time projekt for an ID.
If (what I believe) it was a General I am down to 6 possible recipients.

Best regards

Daniel

[John Skandalis]

If the swords were still there, it would be easier to distinguish first or second class of the SEHO.

In the 1894 list, I have 5 possible canditates:

a. Major Noel, IR Prinz Moriss lvon Anhalt-Dessau Nr.42, with EK2, DA, and HSEH3bX

b. Hptm. Nonne, 6. Thuringisches IR Nr.95, with EK2, DA, and HSEH3aX

c. Hptm. v. Bohneburgk, 3. Grossherzoglich Hessisches IR Nr.117, with EK2, DA, and HSEH3bX

d. Hptm. Trierenberg, Haupt-Kadetten-Anhalt, with EK2, DA, and HSEH3bX

e. Hptm. z.D. Sporleder, 9. Feldartillerie-Brigade Landwehrbezirk II Bremen, with EK2, DA, and HSEH3bX

How likely is to verify the 1866 cross? Maybe this is a clue to ID the bar.

[Daniel Krause]

Nice effort!
But please do not think it is that easy; the owner could have earliest entered service in 1850; too late for a 1848/49 medal orrrr he entered latest 1866 early enough to take part in the campaign. So Your guy could receive the XXV cross between 1872 and 1888 assumed with 3 double-counting years of war. Soooo You have to start in 1872 and to finish in 1897 to find all the fitting guys.

To verify the 1866.... get a order of battle for 1866 and check if the fitting guys were already in a involved Regiment. But 1866 ist most likely if the guys have been in service then. Better to check if somebody of them took part in 1864; easier because less troops involved.

Then see if somebody survived 1909 to be in the Ordensalmanach to check if they had other ribboned awards as Hessen/Baden...whatever campaign medals.

Best regards

Daniel

[Rick Research]

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[John Skandalis]

Thank you both for the information. I don't have any earlier ranklist to search for a match, so my 1894 is the only reference.

Daniel, can you give me the names of the Generals you mentioned?

[Daniel Krause]

I have to see to find my ols notes to that bar. I will send You the names as soon as I find it.

Best regards

Daniel

P.S. But this will be just "educated guesses" IF this guy was a General.

Thank you both for the information. I don't have any earlier ranklist to search for a match, so my 1894 is the only reference.

Daniel, can you give me the names of the Generals you mentioned?

[John Skandalis]

I have 3 more candidates:

a. Oberst Lt. Hoffmann, of IR Nr.17 (4. Westfäliches)

b. Oberst Lt. v. Brandenstein, a la suite of Fusilier Regiment Nr.73

c. Oberst Lt. z.D. Bullrich, commander of Landwehrbezirk Perleberg (12 Infanterie-Brigade)

[Rick Research]

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[John Skandalis]

Thanks Rick. Well, this is one of my first tries to identify someone's medals, and there is much more to learn.

I will try now to find a swords device to restore it.

[Daniel Krause]

Hoffmann was promoted MajGen in 1900, we look for a General promoted before 1897, so that he had already the Red Eagle and Crown around the neck before the Centennial medal came.

My Generals suspects are:
ETZDORFF, Ludw.Georg v., 1831-1906, 1890 zD 17.IB, RAO2E, KO2, EK2 70, DA, 1866?, EH3aX

STEIN-LIEBENSTEIN z.BARCHFELD, Ferdin.Friedr.Wilh.Frhr v., 1889 zD 9.KB, RAO2E, KO2a, EK2 70, Joh, DA, 66, OV2b, EH3aX, SEK2, ÖL3, SS4a

NICKISCH-ROSENEGK, Berthold Louis Ferdin.v., 1891 27.D, RAO2E, KO3, EK2 70, DA, MG1, EH3aX, ÖL3, ÖFJ2

SCHMIDT, Paul Friedr.Karl Ludw.Wilh.v., 1891 O FR 90, RAO3S, KO2, EK2 70, Joh, DA, MG2b, EH3aX

Best regards

Daniel

[Rick Research]

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