The W. Kluge & Co EK1

[Don D.]

I've got a WS marked cross with similar core the has a
backwards R stamped in the same spot on the pin.

I have the same, a WS with a backwards "R."

[Don D.]

I'd really hoped there would be more interest in this......

[Montgomery Burns]

yea ,,,,,


if you guy's would not start at the end of the investigation ,but on the beginning .

what are these marks ,?
( smallest marks on the back of the back under the pin )

WY would a maker mark be on a invisible place ? ,,
so far I know is : jewellers would like to mark on a visible place without disturbing the overall art design .
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OR NOT AT ALL.................

year mark,, ?
mark of the worker who made it ,,?
mark of the type of part ,,?

the answer is still not here ,,,

most important the new Book is also not having the solid evidence and the answer .,,,

only wild theory's so far ?,,,,,,,,,, not ?











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[Montgomery Burns]

PS ,,

TO YOUR INFORMATION


In a jeweller shop would work :

goldsmith's
gold workers
silversmith's
silver workers
jeweller's
Gürtler
engraving specialists .
Mould / art design specialists.
solder specialists .

and a lot more specialist I forgotten to mention.

they all could have a personalized mark ( not uncommon )

they all could have a part in what ever production and be involved in marking a product .

in some way or another .








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[Don D.]

yea ,,,,,


if you guy's would not start at the end of the investigation ,but on the beginning .


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Perhaps you can point us to the discussions that determined what these marks are then and save us time.......

[Montgomery Burns]

its easy Don

we all should try a combined effort ,,,

start here

what kind of markings actually jewellers had ,,?

make a list of what jeweller is wryly confirmed and what jeweller is not

more attentions to words like ,,, bild zeichen ,,and ,,wortmarken ,,schriftzeichen.

google that a bit more instead of hunting bargains all the time .

books about silver art ,,I am sure there must be English books about the silver smiths in Europe who tell you about the artists and markings ..
1813 to 1945 Germany's gold and silver smiting was famous all over the world .
cant believe there will be no English informative book about it somewhere .


study the rule and laws of silver marking ,,,

tell you Don ,,no official silver law presenting thread to be found on this section ..isn't it strange ?



stop having feelings about what it would be like ,or how it must have bin ....
build on solid foundations please,,,,,,otherwise no feelings allowed.

scientific ground rules on what point something is proven to be realistic .
and what not ,,

stop anecdote books,, one is not having ,,,,,,

make a list of usable period books who are wryly a time confession about the iron cross .

skip the overpriced goeroe books,,unless there is solid proof in it ,,,
fore those who have it ,,,,,share it for a change ,,,,,,

protecting those who approach this hobby from a different angle ...
(rules everybody has to applier with are coming handy with that)

WOW ,,,I am talking about a different Forum


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[Montgomery Burns]

if you guy's would put the same effort in to finding information about the crosses as you would put in to finding bargains

we would need no new goeroe Books

And history would be a free open forum Book fore everyone to see















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[Rich G]

I have one, marked for FR (not Fr) with a K under the pin and an additional mark beside it that I can only describe as a whale.







Rich

[Don D.]

Thanks Rich. Perhaps "k" is the mark of the pin maker then. Need to see more.

[Mike Kenny]

This will have to do ...

[Don D.]

Nice shotgun blast Mike. Any of those crosses match the ones that started this thread?

[Mike Kenny]

Second row left and bottom row middle are the examples I posted earlier and that I believe match the core/frame of the EKs at the start of the thread. Top row second from right also matches.

Regards
Mike

[Montgomery Burns]

I am very glad I see such wonderful additions to the theme ..

solid evidence to what the K mark is not ...for sure.

congratulations to all nice examples shown here.

what a nice contribution.










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[Don D.]

Since you seem to know what they are not then perhaps you can tell use what they are.......