Unit, rank, other info?

[Marc Garlasco]

Gents,

I have just returned from Germany filled with some information and many questions. Below I post an ancestor of mine - Max Duttlinger. He was killed in Flanders or Ypres - no general agreement in the family. Max was 23 when he fell 2 June 1916. All I have are the photos. Since I am not an expert in Imperial I ask you all what I may be able to learn from the photos.
My thanks,
Marc

[Dave Mosher]

Marc:

Your ancestor is most likely a wurttembuger from either the 119 or 123 grenadier regiments. Your first picture shows the M-07/10 transitional tunic for wurttemburgers (swedish cuff vs barrel cuff for prussians and buttoned sewn cuff for bavarians), probably around mid to late 1915. It seems that litzen was not added to this "new" transitional tunic in your first picture, but is on his M-15 friedensuniform. Additionally, it appears that the mutze cockade and his buckle would confirm he is a wurttemburger. Unfortunately, the actual cyphers on the shoulder straps are obscured, which would indicate which regiment he was in. The 119 Rgmt was part of the 26 I.D and the 123 Rgmt was part of the 27 I. D. If he died on June 2 1916, both of these regiments were involved in a battle called "Doppelhohe 60" and "Hooge" before the Somme in August. It is very subjective in the shading of the bayonet knot, but it appears to indicate he was in the 7th company, 2nd battalion. He is armed with a Gewehr 98, the basic infantry firearm.

Regards

Dave

[Marc Garlasco]

Dave,
I am stunned! MANY thanks!!! He is indeed from just outside STuttgart. I will let you know if I get any other photos. Take a look at my other post to see if you can help on that!!!
Marc

Marc:

Your ancestor is most likely a wurttembuger from either the 119 or 123 grenadier regiments. Your first picture shows the M-07/10 transitional tunic for wurttemburgers (swedish cuff vs barrel cuff for prussians and buttoned sewn cuff for bavarians), probably around mid to late 1915. It seems that litzen was not added to this "new" transitional tunic in your first picture, but is on his M-15 friedensuniform. Additionally, it appears that the mutze cockade and his buckle would confirm he is a wurttemburger. Unfortunately, the actual cyphers on the shoulder straps are obscured, which would indicate which regiment he was in. The 119 Rgmt was part of the 26 I.D and the 123 Rgmt was part of the 27 I. D. If he died on June 2 1916, both of these regiments were involved in a battle called "Doppelhohe 60" and "Hooge" before the Somme in August. It is very subjective in the shading of the bayonet knot, but it appears to indicate he was in the 7th company, 2nd battalion. He is armed with a Gewehr 98, the basic infantry firearm.

Regards

Dave

[Dave Mosher]

Marc

Grenadier Regmt. Konigin Olga (1. Wurttembergisches) Nr. 119 was garrisoned in Stuttgart. It seems to help you out a little more...

Dave

[Bob Lembke]

Info on fallen ancestor

Guys;

Why don't you go online into the German wargrave association's online database; you can probably find him, and then his unit, place and date of death, and the present l;ocation of his grave. I have not used it in a long time and do not have the Internet address at hand or any place that I can readily think of.

Bob Lembke

[Marc Garlasco]

Let me know if you get it - I would love to try!
Marc

[AOK4]

Hello,

the site is: http://www.volksbund.de.

I've checked it but did not find your ancestor. You can always ask the Volksbund deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge for more info about him telling you're a relative.

I'll browse through my regimental histories and Ehrentafeln if I find some time to see if I can find Max.

Regards,
Jan

[Marc Garlasco]

Jan,
Many thanks! Please look at alternate spellings of the last name like Deuttlinger, Deutlinger, Duutlinger, etc.
Marc

[AOK4]

Hello Marc,

He wasn't in the Totenbuch from either GR 123 or IR 124. I didn't find him in the Ehrenbuch of Stuttgart either.

Where exactly was he from?

Regards,
Jan

[Marc Garlasco]

He was from Deisslingen, south of Stuttgart. WIth scharfes S. His family lived in Grafenau, a suburb of Stuttgart.
Marc

[Nick Carraway]

I have updated info Marc has passed to me and ask to share as Max was found on the casualty list. He died in the Battle of Mont Sorrel fighting with the 12th Kompanie, Infanterie Regiment 125. As you can see he was originally listed as missing, later killed. Huge thanks to Chris Boonzaier!

[Eyedea794]

Can anyone help to find where this soldier lost his life? Also, has someone seen a poster like this before?

[pzrwest]

In the first picture he is wearing what appear to be spurs, would an infantryman wear spurs or were they worn by only mounted troops?

[Chip M]

pzrwest,

Those are Fusßschoner, not spurs. They served two purposes that I know of. First, they helped with cutting down on blisters by tightening the boot around the instep, which kept the foot from sliding around inside the boot. Secondly, when moving around in the mud of the trenches, they kept the boot from being sucked off of the foot.

Chip

[pzrwest]

Thank you Chip for the explanation about theses straps