Last addition : 3rd class cross with box prussian crown order

[pinpon590]

Hi !

My latest 2013 addition :

[streptile]

Super nice piece. Congratulations

[pinpon590]

Thank you !

The cross is a Wagner made, bronze gilt.

[streptile]

Bronze gilt Wagner... really?

I'm not familiar with this type, but I am no Crown Order expert.

Why do you think it's bronze gilt? Can you show bigger photos of the cross alone?

[pinpon590]

Hi !

Why bronze gilt ? Because any stamp... Only W on the lower arm...
Do you think it could be silver or gold ??

I will do better pictures of the cross tomorrow (i'm still at work now)...

[streptile]

I am quite sure it must be gold, but let's see good photos.

Weight often can't help us because bronze gilt and gold are very similar weights. But I think it must be gold.

Show us very good, close photos of the metal parts.

[pinpon590]

Hi !

Weight is 11,15g...

Here are close up :













Maker mark : "W"




Thank you for your help !

[streptile]

I hope someone else (Sascha) will say something here, but I don't think W made too many (any?) of these in bronze gilt. It does look a bit patinated for gold, but I think it's probably gold anyway.

[pinpon590]

Thank you !

I hope also someone will help us to determine if it's gold or not...

For weight, the model shown above weigh 11,15g : it's a little less than describe on the Nimmergut OEK, but there is a little scratch on the reverse upper arm : some of of enamel disappeared...

[saschaw]

Looks like gold to me, too.



They were officially never made in bronze gilt but may exist as private purchase crosses. Those I know (also RAO3, HOH3) were one sided, however.

Offically made Prussian orders from gold are usually not purity marked! Nor are silver ones, unless they are gilt!

[pinpon590]

Thank you !

What kind of gold does teh prussian usually used : 8 carats ?

[saschaw]

I'm not sure, but think it was 14 ct for the enemaled orders.

In old days, let's say 1850s, they also used higher grades, e.g. about 22 1/4 ct.

[pinpon590]

Thank you for these informations !