EKII, opinions please...

[Robert P.]

I just received what the dealer called a 'J-stamped' EKII. It certainly is no Juncker cross, but does anyone recognize the maker mark, please?

Robert

[Robert P.]

...the maker mark from both angles...

[Gew44]

Honestly if I see the inner and external frame edges it could be......has not a stupid proof "poka-joka prong" for assembly but I repeat it could be.

Or better... my personal thought is Juncker .

Ciao

[Robert P.]

Gew44,

I've run it through the data base, and found not a match there. Juncker, huh? Let's see what others say. I have one example (file) of an Imperial Juncker EKII with an envelope, but it doesn't match it, not even the frame.

Robert

[morel5000]

Looks more like a poorly stamped M?

Does this frame match? (except from the Hump :/ ) Nice cross anyway!



Best regards,
Michel

[Robert P.]

No Michel,

It doesn't match, not even the frame. I've studied it under a 10X loupe and it is a different frame. Nice try though.

Thank you for trying,
Robert

[Steve Campbell]

I don't think it's an M, as those have a distinct frame shape from the examples I've seen.

As you start to collect 1914 EKIIs, you'll see that many maker's marks are unreadable or poorly stamped. Cores are often hard to positively ID also. The published lists of maker marks are not always accurate IMO. I would contend that many letter stamped EK2s cannot be traced to a particular maker. Some like the variety of Wagner and Son marks have been IDed, but many are speculation. Even if the marks are clear, the true ID of the maker is often unknown.

Have even common makers like KAG been ID'ed?

[fabri-online]

...the maker mark from both angles...

in my opinion is an uncomplete K

[streptile]

in my opinion is an uncomplete K

I would agree that seems very likely. Robert, look at a few KAG frames and see if you can find a match there (no guarantee it's a "K" or that "K" is "KAG" though).

Steve, KAG has never been identified, nor has KO -- two of the absolute most common Imperial makers. I agree with you that many makers are just hopeful guesses based on a shared first initial in the maker name, with the ring stamp. We only know what we've actually researched.

[Montgomery Burns]

I would say ( guess ) messed up IVI ?

regards kay

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[Steve Campbell]

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Kaye may be right here. It could be IVI. Check the data base.

[Robert P.]

Kaye may be right here. It could be IVI. Check the data base.

Alright, I'll go through the data base again. First with 'K', then 'KAG' and 'M'.

Robert

[Robert P.]

No frame matches, gentlemen. I'm pretty good looking at details through a 10X loupe, and the frames just don't match mine. I don't even look to the cores if the frames are different, normally. I think I just have an unknown, but I won't stop here. It may turn up in the future.

Thanks for your interest,
Robert

[streptile]

Kaye may be right here. It could be IVI. Check the data base.

In my opinion there is no maker IVI. It's just M, and it's B.H. Mayer.

[Montgomery Burns]

Its an early caste core ,,

so maybe it matches a 1870 frame ?

regards kay