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    #46
    Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
    well to me it was important to know
    that all the plane's in his command where red painted...

    also the one his brother flew

    only
    they distinguished themselves amongst each other with adapting a second collar on theyre own red painted plane
    that would be sparely used on the fuselage ( flaps and sorts )
    every pilot would have a secondary collar ,,his brother yellow

    only the plain off Manfred would be all red ,

    and I was looking fore the balken cross, and the white tail and white underground off the balken cross
    if historically correct,,
    that should be used by a different pilot in his section ( claimed in the book )

    I wonder if they would used the balken cross at all in Manfred's section ?

    pictures off him being shot down in his plane show a different story .

    so I wonder what picture and info I can use safely .
    can you list the source where this particular craft is identified as MVR's?
    from all accounts I have read his DR1 wasnt photographed in a crash position.I am firmly of the opinion this is not MVR's DR1

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      #47
      Originally posted by Scott Powell View Post
      In Norman Frank's book Under The Guns of the Red Baron on page 181 are two photographs of 2 Balkan Crosses said to be removed from Manfred's DR.1 425/17

      A scan of the page
      Hi Scott,

      One sure looks like the same one from an earlier post in this thread:

      Best regards,
      Streptile

      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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        #48
        Originally posted by streptile View Post
        Hi Scott,

        One sure looks like the same one from an earlier post in this thread:

        Hi Trevor,it certainly appears to be one and the same to my eyes

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          #49
          Originally posted by Scott Powell View Post
          can you list the source where this particular craft is identified as MVR's?
          from all accounts I have read his DR1 wasnt photographed in a crash position.I am firmly of the opinion this is not MVR's DR1
          underneath the photo ,,? it say's

          wrecked myself
          Richtoven stayed unharmed
          Attached Files

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            #50
            don't forget the other red planes and the carefully chosen second collaring to the red as identification in air


            his brother explaining the story off how that developed and came to be tradition in the Richthofen unit
            Attached Files

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              #51
              Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
              underneath the photo ,,? it say's

              wrecked myself
              Richtoven stayed unharmed
              ahhhhhh ok , I understand now . I thought this picture was claiming to be DR1 425/17 with a crash date of 21-April-1917.

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                #52
                no no ,,,

                he's wrecked some itself during his time

                this is one off them

                ..

                so what about the other red ones in his unit ?

                and the schinkel type cross and baltic cross type

                the different secondary white collaring next to red would be not the collaring off manfreds aircraft ?

                but from ( allmenröder ? )

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                  #53
                  it where 12 aircraft in his wing collared red by the way













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                  Last edited by Montgomery Burns; 06-10-2012, 04:01 PM.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
                    no no ,,,

                    he's wrecked some itself during his time

                    this is one off them

                    ..

                    so what about the other red ones in his unit ?

                    and the schinkel type cross and baltic cross type

                    the different secondary white collaring next to red would be not the collaring off manfreds aircraft ?

                    but from ( allmenröder ? )
                    The red rudder with a Black Cross on a White background is what MVR had on his triplanes,so these very well could be his.

                    This painting is in the book Under The Gun's of the Red Baron,and details his 73 victory over a Sopwith Snipe on 27-March-1918. MVR was flying DR1 477/17



                    This painting is also in the book,and details MVr's 76 victory over a Sopwith Camel on 6-April-1918 and you can see the change to the Maltese Cross,as well as the colour schemes of DR1 227/17

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
                      don't forget the other red planes and the carefully chosen second collaring to the red as identification in air


                      his brother explaining the story off how that developed and came to be tradition in the Richthofen unit
                      Kay. i dug up my own copy,and I think that the aircraft Lothar Von Richtofen was describing were during the time the Jasta was flying the Albatross type.
                      Some colour schemes were changed with the introduction of the DR1.

                      A book you may find interesting as well is JagD in Flanders Himmel,which was published in 1935 and authoured by Karl Bodenschatz. It has pictures I havebt encountered anywhere else

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Scott Powell View Post
                        Kay. i dug up my own copy,and I think that the aircraft Lothar Von Richtofen was describing were during the time the Jasta was flying the Albatross type.
                        Some colour schemes were changed with the introduction of the DR1.

                        A book you may find interesting as well is JagD in Flanders Himmel,which was published in 1935 and authoured by Karl Bodenschatz. It has pictures I havebt encountered anywhere else
                        well I am not going after this ,,,
                        by experience I know that these kind off things end up in a labyrinth off uncertainties ,fiction,and propaganda history distortions and other distractions

                        ,,,,,with a good chance never getting out off it again ...

                        I already have my hands full with the Iron crosses

                        but thanks anyway ,,,fore the info and the interesting thread

                        regards kay

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
                          well I am not going after this ,,,
                          by experience I know that these kind off things end up in a labyrinth off uncertainties ,fiction,and propaganda history distortions and other distractions

                          ,,,,,with a good chance never getting out off it again ...

                          I already have my hands full with the Iron crosses

                          but thanks anyway ,,,fore the info and the interesting thread

                          regards kay
                          Thank you as well Kay. Anytime I can discuss Die Die Fliegertruppen des Deutschen Kaiserreiches und der Deutsche Luftstreitkräfte is a GOOD day for me

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                            #58
                            Others may have run into them, but there are some terrific photos from the von Richthofen family's holdings posted in this "Photostream" link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/redrichthofen/
                            apparently by Lothar's great-granddaughter. The photos are there for public access, though copyrighted, and present quite a few takes on Manfred, in particular, which give a bit better sense of the man vs the legend. (The site seems to be safe.)

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Zepenthusiast View Post
                              Others may have run into them, but there are some terrific photos from the von Richthofen family's holdings posted in this "Photostream" link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/redrichthofen/
                              apparently by Lothar's great-granddaughter. The photos are there for public access, though copyrighted, and present quite a few takes on Manfred, in particular, which give a bit better sense of the man vs the legend. (The site seems to be safe.)
                              Some great pictures on this site thanks Jim

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