It will be very interessting to see your period 1813 EK pieces.
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I'll start off with this multi-piece frame example.pseudo-expert -
Awesome piece, Don! I always have wanted a RK for my collection but in all honesty, these are the "holy grail" in my opinion. Very nice cross. I'm a ways off so I'll like vicariously through this thread
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Here's the 1st of my two. A later cross, I call it a 2nd pattern, but that's just me
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My 2nd & earliest, possibly one of the 1st 500 or so manufactored. Attributed as well.
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Greg, when you say 2nd pattern or 2nd generation is that imply the cross was constructed in the 1830s? I thought that was generally regarded as the period when this happened but wanted to clarify.
Also, that 2nd one is a GEM. Before I read the description I said to myself "whoa, that looks like an older one!" lol. Just for my own curiosity, who is it attributed to? I always think it's great to be able to connect TR era stuff with it's owner but to actually have something from that era attributed is remarkable imo!Comment
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Hi Wik!Originally posted by Wik View Post
No expert on these but when I say 2nd type (pattern) I'm probably off in the description as my meaning is it's period, but more along the lines of after the 1st batched of EK II's were produce. Love for others to clarify.
The attributed piece came to me threw Weitze, who shortly before I received, it came from the family with a handwriiten note ( from +- 1850's).
Attributed to:
Levin (Hermann Otto) von Düring was born 14.03.1769 and died 23.04.1836.
He joined the army on 09.08.1786, fought in the 1792/95 campaign against the French. In 1806 he was in Regiment Lettow (Nr. 41) and following the capitulation of Hameln he became inactive. Reactivated in Jan 1812 he transferred to the Gendarmerie in Feb 1813. In Aug 1813 he was promoted Major and made a battalion commander in the 1. Neumärkisches Landwehr Regiment. On 02.04.1815 he became commander of that regiment. On 05.06.1818 he became commander of Infantry Regiment 14 and served in that capacity until his retirement on 27.03.1831. He was promoted to colonel on 30.03.1821 When he retired, he was given the "Charakter" as a General Major.
He was awarded the EK II for his actions in the Battle of Dennewitz.Comment
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Greg, must have missed your last post!
Anyhow, that is superb info! Very interesting. For the history of it to stay intact is really amazing. So much history in just the item but to have that back story and knowledge of the owner, to me, just really ties everything together. Can't ask for anything more from a piece from this period!
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Hi Greg,
and rest of forum,
i have to ask, considering his career he was clearly an Oficer (retired as "quasi" General!). As far i know EK 1. class where only for officers and EK2. class were only for lower ranks. So, what rank would he have had in times of the battle?
The battle of Dennewitz was on Sept.1813 he already was Major. Is my information wrong that only officers could get a EK1. ?
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Quite wrong. The EK1+2 was awarded without regard to rank. The requirement for the EK1 was to have previously been awarded the EK2 and then do another deserving act of bravery etc...pseudo-expertComment
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I totally agree with Don.
Might there be some confusion with the Kulmer Kreuz?!Comment
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OH!
No, found the article where its stated that the EK was the first one NOT given in different classes to different ranks, what was usual practice till then. Therefore it is a kind of equalisation of Persons over the Ranks. My confusion.Comment
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