New Iron Cross with 25year Oak leaf

[iperedruk]

Hi all

I am currently bidding on an 1870 Iron Cross and its stands at £80 at the moment.
I quite like the cross due to the unique 25 year oak leaves attachment.
The person has put a buy it now price of about $300.
Here is the description by the seller.

1870 Iron Cross 2nd Class prinzen size award. Prinzen awards were private purchase pieces for wear by officers and royalty who wore several medals on their dress uniform or suit for formal occasions. (The smaller the medals, the more they could wear on their jacket.) This one measures 34.5 mm and is of 3 piece magnetic construction with silver frame. The core is the desirable "stepped" variety. The 25 Year Oak Leaf cluster was authorized for wear in 1895 with the EK after the 25 year anniversary of Germany's victory over France in 1870-71. This one has an original silver 25th oak cluster mounted to an original period prinzen size ribbon. Exquisite detail and quality on both the cross and the oaks.


So the qestion i would like to ask is if it is an original and how high should i pay for it??????

regards

Ivan

[Dez H]

I would need much larger and clearer pictures to give an accurate opinion, however I don't like what I see so far, the numeral 1 seems to be disappearing off into the side of the frame, which is a first red flag with these pieces. Unless better pictures are forthcoming I wouldn't bid anything on this one.<O</O

[iperedruk]

I would need much larger and clearer pictures to give an accurate opinion, however I don't like what I see so far, the numeral 1 seems to be disappearing off into the side of the frame, which is a first red flag with these pieces. Unless better pictures are forthcoming I wouldn't bid anything on this one.<O</O

Hi Dez

I see what you mean about the Numeral 1 and it does look to be veering to the left.

Thanks for your help.

Ivan

[Tiger 1]

Ivan,

I don't care for any stepped core EKIIs except for the 1813 which as it should be. I have seen a rash of 1813,1870 and 1914 prinzens lately that have this stepped core. Please realise that an original prinzen EK is fairly scarce to rare. The older they are the rarer.

Just some words of caution.

Tony

[Doug See]

Comments noted and appreciated, but this one's mine and I stand behind it. If it doesn't sell on eBay, I have a standing offer from a well-know dealer to buy it at my reserve.

[Biro]

Is this it???

1870 EK Fakes


And please, this is NOT a critique, just a referral........

Marshall

[Doug See]

Is this it???

1870 EK Fakes


And please, this is NOT a critique, just a referral........

Marshall

No problem at all. I don't think it's the same as the display copies Detlev posted. (but then I'm prejudiced). If you compare the enlarged photos of mine (supersize the photo on the auction) to this one, you'll see that the frame on Detlev's example is wider and the beading is less detailed. The cores are slightly different and Detlev's crown is off center on the mold. Holding this piece in the hand is the true test - photos can't show all. It's a high quality piece. Again, I stand behind it as original with a full refund available, including shipping within the USA.

[Doug See]

I would need much larger and clearer pictures to give an accurate opinion, however I don't like what I see so far, the numeral 1 seems to be disappearing off into the side of the frame, which is a first red flag with these pieces. Unless better pictures are forthcoming I wouldn't bid anything on this one.<O</O

The core moves freely inside of the frame. That's why the number appears off center in that photo.

[Dez H]

Your EK does look much better now Doug, certainly does have a lot of movement there in the frames. <O</O

[Biro]

I see the owner of the 'Detlev 1870 fake prinzen and oaks' is now using e-bay to shift it...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sPageName=WDVW

Different photo, same cross..

Nice touch..

[Doug See]

Hi all

I am currently bidding on an 1870 Iron Cross and its stands at £80 at the moment.
I quite like the cross due to the unique 25 year oak leaves attachment.
The person has put a buy it now price of about $300.
Here is the description by the seller.

1870 Iron Cross 2nd Class prinzen size award. Prinzen awards were private purchase pieces for wear by officers and royalty who wore several medals on their dress uniform or suit for formal occasions. (The smaller the medals, the more they could wear on their jacket.) This one measures 34.5 mm and is of 3 piece magnetic construction with silver frame. The core is the desirable "stepped" variety. The 25 Year Oak Leaf cluster was authorized for wear in 1895 with the EK after the 25 year anniversary of Germany's victory over France in 1870-71. This one has an original silver 25th oak cluster mounted to an original period prinzen size ribbon. Exquisite detail and quality on both the cross and the oaks.





So the qestion i would like to ask is if it is an original and how high should i pay for it??????

regards

Ivan

Okay, now I'm confused. Since the photos have disappeared (or never appeared), I'm not sure what you are talking about. This was my description of an EK2 prinzen on eBay, but I never had a Buy It Now price as low as $300. I'd love to sell it, but not give it away. Ivan, can you clarify your comments and photos? I've posted the prinzen I have on eBay on this thread and welcome opinions. I still stand by it with a lifetime guarantee as a very finely made jeweler-made prinzen piece made between 1870 and 1895. No different than all the other 1870's out there. If someone thinks it's not good, I'd like to hear details on why, who, where, and when. I'm being a little defensive here, but would welcome any facts and will be the first to eat crow if I'm wrong. The post above this one by Biro links to a German dealer on eBay selling another prinzen which is not mine.

[Brian S]

Doug, to my eyes your cross is an exact duplicate of the one Detlev says is not original.

Cheers.

Brian

[Brian S]

Here is a comparison to Detlev's.

I think it's Detlev's call to answer your question as to why it's not authentic.

[Brian S]

Okay, now I'm confused. Since the photos have disappeared (or never appeared), I'm not sure what you are talking about. This was my description of an EK2 prinzen on eBay, but I never had a Buy It Now price as low as $300. I'd love to sell it, but not give it away. Ivan, can you clarify your comments and photos? I've posted the prinzen I have on eBay on this thread and welcome opinions. I still stand by it with a lifetime guarantee as a very finely made jeweler-made prinzen piece made between 1870 and 1895. No different than all the other 1870's out there. If someone thinks it's not good, I'd like to hear details on why, who, where, and when. I'm being a little defensive here, but would welcome any facts and will be the first to eat crow if I'm wrong. The post above this one by Biro links to a German dealer on eBay selling another prinzen which is not mine.

Doug, why the out of focus pictures on eBay? You could clearly get getter photos than that???

[Doug See]

Doug, why the out of focus pictures on eBay? You could clearly get getter photos than that???

Brian,
The photos on my auction are the same as those shown above. Which auction are you looking at? The one Biro linked to is not my auction and is on German eBay.
Doug