Godet (again)

[Don D.]

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[Biro]

...I am surprised that no one has commented on the PLM...

Commented on what aspect of it Don? I have always thought this looked like a classic Godet PLM with no hint of any 'Schickle' characteristics...

The 'W' Godet & Sohn entry has always perplexed me more. Surely can't be a mis-print?

Marshall

[saschaw]

The 'W' Godet & Sohn entry has always perplexed me more. Surely can't be a mis-print?

I guess it is. What else should it be?

[Don D.]

It has shattered my belief in Germany infallability.

[Roglebk]

Always thought that Wagner PlM's had the triangular "cake piece" and Godet the more normal looking loop?

[streptile]

Always thought that Wagner PlM's had the triangular "cake piece" and Godet the more normal looking loop?

Just the opposite.

Welcome back Carl.

[Roglebk]

Just the opposite.

Welcome back Carl.

Thanks Trev, got 'em mixed up.

[Zepenthusiast]

What I could never figure out (even in the larger version of the images Dave danner links to in that thread) is if it IS in fact 'W. Godet and Sohn' written on the poster or if that is merely an old German script J' or even a 'G'.

I think if you zoom in really close on the full-size, linked images of the poster, which is possible (great resolution), that is a fused "J and S" followed by a period, making essentially a "W"-like outcome. Fusing initials in calligraphy is considered stylish, I seem to recall.

[AlikN]

I think if you zoom in really close on the full-size, linked images of the poster, which is possible (great resolution), that is a fused "J and S" followed by a period, making essentially a "W"-like outcome. Fusing initials in calligraphy is considered stylish, I seem to recall.

I don't think that is the case of fusing initials here, it is a "W" here is the picture of an old German font and that is how 'W' looks. ...and what would "J" fused to "S" mean next to "Godet & Sohn". Can someone translate the whole sentence, ... what about that Werner connection, ....but why it would be abbreviated.

[streptile]

Godet?

Hi Alik and Bob,

The more I look, the more I think both your GKs are likely by Godet. The design of the core, especially the reverse, matches pretty closely to the "Godet" core (which was used by others, of course, but I've never personally seen another maker use the same design in a cast version, which Godet most definitely did). And the obverse design matches pretty closely with the catalogue photo as well. It's hard to call it a slam dunk, but I would be pretty confident if I were you.

They are very nice pieces.

[AlikN]

Thanks Trevor! Nice comparing of the designs. Now I have to find Godet's EK-1 and EK-2 to make a 'happy family'....

[Zepenthusiast]

Nice work, Alik, on the font. You are unquestionably correct. Curiously, on the second page of the poster, there are capital Ws rendered both the exact same way, and as something looking like the numerals 233 linked to one-another. Is the period meant to suggest an initial, then, or the end of a statement abbreviating "West" or some such, immediately preceding "Godet and Son? Another solitary W with a period after ends the line, though with a Roman font.

[AlikN]

It is for West that Roman 'W', ...meaning West Berlin, probably some "Roman letters rule" for cardinal points.

[Zepenthusiast]

Don't know if this has been remarked upon in an earlier thread or post, but I came upon the following chronological listing re the Godet family on an SMP forum discussing silver (for the most part flatware). The post was made by one Blakstone (in 2005):

The Godet firm passed through five generations of fathers & sons:

1. Jean Godet (1732- 1796); master 1761
2. Jean Jacques Godet (1770- 1817); master 1795
3. Jean Frederic Godet (1798 - 1860); master 1821
4. Pierre Jean Godet (1823 - 1880); master c. 1850
5. [brothers] Jean Louis Jules Godet (1864 - 1933); master 1889 & Jacques Eugene Godet (1866 - 1947)

The death of Jean Louis Jules in 1933 presumably would have shaken things up at Gebr. Godet, especially given he was already 69 years old and Jacques Eugene 67--neither with a male heir. Effect on timing re Werner, etc.?