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**streptile** · 10-15-2010, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Fernanda Israel View Post

Ok Guys,

I made the acetone test on this EKII. What that means?

In my opinion it means you just damaged a very nice original EK2 and voided your chance of return in case you were unhappy.

I love Carl, but we have yet to hear any real proof of the "fake Schickle" idea.

Sorry.

**stengaard** · 10-15-2010, 11:53 AM

I am sorry too

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**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 06:50 AM

Fernanda> As you might have noticed the acetone test is extremly destructive and should not be performed on anything you want to send back or have any doubts about.

An Acetone test can never be reversed.

An Acetone test is not proof of anything more than that particular type of paint does get affected by it.

There's no proof whatsoever (so far) that ALL paint before 1945 does not get affected by Acetone.

i'm very very sorry if i mislead you in any way, Should have been more clear about this in the first place. Handled a lot of EK's in my collecting years and have only used Acetone on 12-15 of them.

Made the test on my cross because i was convinced it had modern paint, either repainted or just a copy. Do not like ugly repainted crosses and use Acetone to remove the modern paint, even if it affects the period paint under. Some repainted crosses i never even touch even with my bare hands, its totally impossible to tell when they were repainted.

Paid 20 E for mine and had no chance of returning it so made some destructive testing on it.

Paint looked new and not like any paint i saw before and did not pass the Acetone test.

Stippling of core is different from the period ones.

Material is of some kind of silver looking alloy i never saw in a EK before. The period ones i saw is made of Silver plated Brass alloy. (This could also mean that Schickle, if it was them that made it, altered the alloy used.)

All this made me believe mine is a copy.

This is a quote from my post below:

"Would like to add that not sure of Fernandas cross, it could well be an original. Hard to tell from pics as the copies are so well made."

**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by streptile View Post

In my opinion it means you just damaged a very nice original EK2 and voided your chance of return in case you were unhappy.

I love Carl, but we have yet to hear any real proof of the "fake Schickle" idea.

Sorry.

Hi Trev, what do you think of the different stippling and alloy? Is your 1914 Silver plated Brass? Has any 1914 or 1939 'one piece' EK been found with anything other than Silver plated Brass so far?

**Don D.** · 10-16-2010, 07:58 AM

The one piece EK1s by this maker are made of nickle steel (German silver).

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**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Don Doering View Post

The one piece EK1s by this maker are made of nickle steel (German silver).

Thanks Don, so there exists 1914's that are made of Neusilber (German silver, Nickle Silver). The -39s are to my knowledge all made of Silver plated Brass. The 39's comes in 2 different versions, thick and thin, does the 14's come in 2 versions as well? My cross does not seem to be made of Neusilber but its the alloy that lies closest to it in appearance. As we all know Neusilber is made in many different blends so mine could just be a abnormality.

**Don D.** · 10-16-2010, 11:40 AM

They are from between the wars.

**ben bijker** · 10-16-2010, 11:46 AM

Although I only know the ww2 Schinkels, there seems to be something odd about the cross that started this thread.

I wasn't aware of the fact that the material was different ( the ww 2 one-piece is silver-plated brass) but the paint looks very glossy.
Whatever the paint is, when it is that old it isn't supposed to come off that easy, not even with acetone.

IMO it is either re-painted,or a copy.
Would be nice to have it in hand though...

**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 05:22 PM

Pics are a bit dark, bloody thing is too shiny even for the lightbox. Not a trace of the paint remains, it just ran off. What looks like patina (dark spots on frame) is just grooves or dimples in the metal. It can only be descibed as mint with mirror like flanges, just like the mint Deumer 1939 EK's.

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**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 05:27 PM

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**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 05:36 PM

Messed up the Crown pic, white balance is way off, metal looks yellow.

Left side of the edge is where i scraped off a fair bit of the metal to see if it was plated. Right side is untouched, a bit of marks there.

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**streptile** · 10-16-2010, 05:37 PM

Hi Carl,

In my opinion, that is a very nice original one-piece EK2 by Otto Schickle... with all the paint taken off

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**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by streptile View Post

Hi Carl,

In my opinion, that is a very nice original one-piece EK2 by Otto Schickle... with all the paint taken off

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Are there any known 1914 EK's that has been connected with Otto S post war production aka the -57's?

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**streptile** · 10-16-2010, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Roglebk View Post

Are there any known 1914 EK's that has been connected
with Otto S post war production aka the -57's?

Nope, Schickle is not thought to have made anything after the war as far as I know.
I believe these one-piece 1914s were made from somewhere in the 1930s through
1940-ish, and that the 1939 Schinkels were made from 1939 to 1940-ish. Thus we
see a lot more of the Imperials than we do the Schinkels.

**Roglebk** · 10-16-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by streptile View Post

Nope, Schickle is not thought to have made anything after the war as far as I know.

I'm sure they made RK's but have never heard of any 1914 related ones so far.

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