Fake 1870 EKs

[streptile]

Here are some new (well, to me) fake 1870 EKs.

EK1.





EK2.

[streptile]

Absolutely FULL of fakes:

http://www.ordensammler.com/html/1800-1918.html

Really unbelievable!

[gregM]

OK Trevor, I have a few thoughts about this ek2 but please tell me
why you think this one is fake.

[adren]

I am learning but I think this fake is easy to spot because of number "8" has the bottom "line" going under the top line.

Don't know how to tell it better, here is a pic:

Correct me if I am wrong.

[gregM]

Hi Adren,
I think you are refering to the over / under style of 8. That is usually a
bad thing in some 1870s. It is usually found on the "9th bead" fakes.
the over / under is usually fairly pronounced.

Here is a comparison of the over / under 8 and one from a good period
cross by Wagner.

[gregM]

This cross does somewhat look like a 9th bead fake--except for the
'9th bead". It has the droopy 5th bead as does the 9th bead fake
but the 9th bead is not oversized. The date is similar but not a really
over / under.

I could easilly see this as a good jubilee cross.

I don't like the details. They are sharp--overly sharp. I also don't
like the paint. The core looks to be stamped or laser cut instead of cast.
Those are really the only things I see wrong with it so PLEASE lets
here some other opinions.

If this one is a fake---------and I think it is, It's a damn scary one.

[streptile]

OK Trevor, I have a few thoughts about this ek2 but please tell me
why you think this one is fake.

Hi Greg,

Apart from the fact that it is sold on a site that is absolutely full of fakes (actually I'm not sure anything is real on there), the cross doesn't match any period originals at all, and yet it is clearly trying to be a Type A. I am 100% convinced this one is fake -- I just think it's a new generation.

[gregM]

the cross doesn't match any period originals at all, I am 100% convinced this one is fake -- I just think it's a new generation.

Add a little rust, some dings and dents and this one will be selling
like hotcakes.

[Montgomery Burns]

that ek 1 is just an cast copy off the b core ...
the other one we seen before to,,( bad crown fake )
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=387414

the same over and over again in different set-up and conditions









.

[saschaw]

The "club" is doing a good job producing tons of fakes, and he is using a dozen styles. That's what's really scary. There's always new stuff coming, and not all is easy to recognize.

Check this eBay auction. It's one of his earlier tries. Now a "Bodenfund"...
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300475362524

[Montgomery Burns]

The "club" is doing a good job producing tons of fakes, and he is using a dozen styles. That's what's really scary. There's always new stuff coming, and not all is easy to recognize.

Check this eBay auction. It's one of his earlier tries. Now a "Bodenfund"...
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300475362524

there is only one problem ,,,

we know throe period advertise
jewellers produced these ek's throe 75 years after 1870 ,,,,and there are potentially a dozen producers ....(or Moore)

but

we are only recognise only 4 types off 1870 iron core as being original ....

and only 4 iron cores ( ek's ) as being fake

but we are all to sure and certain if it comes to jelling fake

[Don D.]

If it has any connection to the "club" then it will be a fake.

[gregM]

Kay
It's not the bad crown fake. None of the core details match. However it is a match
to the first cross posted in your link.

This is the bad crown fake.

[Montgomery Burns]

aha ,,,,,,,it is indeed .

i have no aye fore fakes


so fake number 5

[adren]

Hi Adren,
I think you are refering to the over / under style of 8. That is usually a
bad thing in some 1870s. It is usually found on the "9th bead" fakes.
the over / under is usually fairly pronounced.

Here is a comparison of the over / under 8 and one from a good period
cross by Wagner.

Alright, thanks for clarification.

Best Regards,

Adren