In my opinion the first is absolutely fake (called the "New German Fake," in a nod to Fassbinder).
The second is a genuine TR-era copy made by S&L and marked 4.
The New German Fake is known with many, many different pins and marks, and both 1914 and 1939 cores.
Best regards,
Streptile
Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)
Mac 66
Run away from that last one as fast as you can. This is one of the most
common FAKES currently making the rounds through ebay.
It's been called the pumpkin crown fake for obvious reasons. (just look
at the crown). It can be found in all sorts of variations and I've started
seeing some that have been aged pretty convincingly.
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