New EK1s

[streptile]

Thank you all for the very nice comments. It was good to log in here and read them all.

what do you mean by the "slant W"?

Hi Richard,

Have a look at the middle post of the "W" in the first core. The top, horizontal edge of it slants a little down to the right. This is called the "slant W" core and is found in many, many crosses -- but not many, many FR crosses.

Some time ago I started researching Prussian enamel awards -- HOH, KO, and RAO mostly. I looked long and hard at different types on forums and dealers' sites to try and figure out which jeweler I thought made the absolute best examples in terms of design and quality. I decided it was FR, which is probably Friedländer. I sold a bunch of stuff and got a FR HOH3X, and the quality was great. I then decided I wanted an FR EK1 (as EKs are my first love), and I noticed they used a few different cores. I found the "slant W" to be the most attractive so I looked until I found this one. It's also in the exact shape I like -- used but not abused.

[streptile]

I believe that someone once started a thread a while back with an argument that G marked Godets were actually made by someone else. Does anyone recall this thread?

I don't, but I would dearly like to read it. Do you remember any specific or unusual words that were used in the thread that could be searched?

[morel5000]

Is this the one?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...det+maker+mark

?

Best regards,
Michel

[Roglebk]

I decided it was FR, which is probably Friedländer.

3 absolute top crosses Trev! Believe FR is Friedländer too. The Austrian court jewelller Friedrich Rothe & Neffe also marked their products with FR and that mark is often found Diamond shaped but the other day i found a "square FR Rothe" mark too so now i'm biased.

[streptile]

Hey Carl,

Thanks, great photos. This mark... do you think this is on a Friedländer, or on a F. Rothe & Neffe?



Do you have this cross in your possession? Do you have a photo of the entire cross? Or accurate measurements?

I ask because I believe either Fr. or FR is Friendländer, but I don't think they both are. The mark you show above looks similar to the FR on my cross. If it's on a F. Rothe & Neffe, then perhaps Fr. is Friedländer, and FR is FR&N? Possible?

It would also make some sense, because "Fr." looks like one word, abbreviated (Friedländer). "FR" looks like initials (Friedrich Rothe).

[Roglebk]

Hey Carl,

Thanks, great photos. This mark... do you think this is on a Friedländer, or on a F. Rothe & Neffe?

Do you have this cross in your possession? Do you have a photo of the entire cross? Or accurate measurements?

I ask because I believe either Fr. or FR is Friendländer, but I don't think they both are. The mark you show above looks similar to the FR on my cross. If it's on a F. Rothe & Neffe, then perhaps Fr. is Friedländer, and FR is FR&N? Possible?

It would also make some sense, because "Fr." looks like one word, abbreviated (Friedländer). "FR" looks like initials (Friedrich Rothe).

My thoughts exactly, believe FR is initials. The stamp is from a Austrian 'Order of Leopold' GC set made by Rothe found on eMedals.

[streptile]

My thoughts exactly, believe FR is initials.

Hey Carl. So you think FR is Friedrich Rothe & Neffe then? Before you said:

Believe FR is Friedländer too.

So which is it? What do you think this mark is?



I suspect FR&N, but I have to look a little more into it. For example, known FR&N awards with the same hardware, etc.

[saschaw]

Friedrich Rothe & Neffe was in Vienna, wasn't he?

Highly unlikely to produce masses of awarded german awards like "Pour le Merites"...

I do not think it's impossible that both "FR" and "Fr." are indeed Friedländer, but unlikely we'll ever know for sure.

[Don D.]

Unless the mark is an exact match for a Rothe mark then I would have to agree with saschaw.

[Roglebk]

Hey Carl. So you think FR is Friedrich Rothe & Neffe then? Before you said:



So which is it? What do you think this mark is?



I suspect FR&N, but I have to look a little more into it. For example, known FR&N awards with the same hardware, etc.

That one i believe is Friedländer, but not sure. The most logical would be that FR (capitals) is Friedrich Rothe and Fr is Friedländer but it seems like they were not always logical back then. Seems like Rothe used diamond shaped marks on older awards and square on newer, have no idea of which time periods they were used yet though.

[ekhunter]

Yes, that is the one. Thanks!

Is this the one?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...det+maker+mark

?

Best regards,
Michel

[Kelly w]

Really nice additions to your collection.

[streptile]

Thanks, guys.

The ideas in that old thread -- on whether 'G' is something other than Godet -- have I think been rendered moot by the passage of time. We all now know that 'G' is Godet. To me, the question is simply: which Godet?

What's next on the list?

The next thing in my sights is not an EK -- I have developed a terrible case of enamelitis.

[streptile]

Unless the mark is an exact match for a Rothe mark then I would have to agree with saschaw.

Yeah, I got carried away with my theory. I guess the FR on my cross wouldn't be FR&N.

But on the other hand, Sascha, it doesn't have to be the same FR who marked PLMs.

[Don D.]

The next thing in my sights is not an EK -- I have developed a terrible case of enamelitis.

That's bad, and expensive.