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    Cased Frockchain: VK, RAO3mSl, KO, CDM (non fighter), LD2

    From right to left:
    Prussian War Effort Cross (VK)
    Order of the Red Eagle 3rd class with ribbon (RAO3mSl)
    Order of the Crown (KO) probably 3rd class because placed after the RAO3
    China Commemorative Coin, in steel for non fighter (CDM)
    Landwehr Long Service Award (LD2)
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    #2
    Case is probably not for the chain. Any ideas of what it could be for or is it just a standard Jewellers case?

    All UV negative. White Silk in the inside of lid. Purple velvet bottom just like EKI and Frauen & Jungfrauen cases. Gold pattern on the lid.
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      #3
      There's a small groove in the bottom that was used to hold something in place, no idea what. No indention whatsoever, bottom is flat.
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        #4
        Lovely kettchen, especially the RAO mit Schleife, very nice

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          #5
          Carl, you've really had a string of good luck with the miniatures.
          Another great score

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            #6
            Thanks guys! Any thoughts about the case? It does not fit the Chain imo.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
              Thanks guys! Any thoughts about the case? It does not fit the Chain imo.
              I would expect the case to be shaped along the lines of the one below if it were specific to the chain.

              While I'm sure it's possible any generic award case could have been provided by the jeweller with the chain when it was purchased, the true miniature chain case would have a ''securing system'' markedly better than the single slot yours has.

              IMO - while I'm sure it's a perfectly good case - no, it's not the case that you could irrefutibly claim belonged with this chain - or any chain.

              Nice set though!

              Marshall
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                #8
                Hey Marshall, that is a nice set you have there.

                Carl, can you show a photo of the chain inside the case? It's hard to see how it might fit in there, and I can't judge the scale of the case relative to the chain.

                I'm not too good with a lot of the round medals we see a lot on these Imperial chains and bars, but I can say that I think this one was unlikely to have been awarded to a combat veteran, right? No EK2, no swords, and we see the Prussian cross for "War Help," which I think was a strictly non-com award.

                Maybe someone else who's better at this kind of thing can take a stab at what rank this may have been for, or what kind of person?

                In any case (pun intended) it's a perfectly beautiful chain, and I love the small enamel awards.
                Best regards,
                Streptile

                Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by streptile View Post
                  Hey Marshall, that is a nice set you have there.

                  Carl, can you show a photo of the chain inside the case? It's hard to see how it might fit in there, and I can't judge the scale of the case relative to the chain.

                  I'm not too good with a lot of the round medals we see a lot on these Imperial chains and bars, but I can say that I think this one was unlikely to have been awarded to a combat veteran, right? No EK2, no swords, and we see the Prussian cross for "War Help," which I think was a strictly non-com award.

                  Maybe someone else who's better at this kind of thing can take a stab at what rank this may have been for, or what kind of person?
                  All chain cases i found so far have been elongated and narrow, just like the one shown by Marshall. Chain does not really fit in there at all if you do not lay the chain in a circle, will get some pics with the chain inside.

                  Exactly my thoughts, the awardee has not been in any combat at all. Would the VK, RAO3 and 4 (ribbon), KO3, CDM and LD2 point in the direction of Staff?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
                    Would the VK, RAO3 and 4 (ribbon), KO3, CDM and LD2 point in the direction of Staff?
                    I'm not sure, but I guess someone here can tell you which rank or branch of service was likely to get this combination.

                    I'm looking forward to the photos inside the case.
                    Best regards,
                    Streptile

                    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                      #11
                      Possibly a civilian's chain.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by saschaw View Post
                        Possibly a civilian's chain.
                        Thanks Sascha.
                        Best regards,
                        Streptile

                        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                          #13
                          Thanks Sascha. So there were civilians in the Landwehr too?

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                            #14
                            No, but civilians (here: rather officials) that had been there at some point of their life.

                            The grade of "long service award" does not match the two orders, that are way higher. He got them for another, likely later, job.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by saschaw View Post
                              No, but civilians (here: rather officials) that had been there at some point of their life.

                              The grade of "long service award" does not match the two orders, that are way higher. He got them for another, likely later, job.

                              Makes sense, thanks again.

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