General's Ordenspangen

[Stephen Previtera]

Gentlemen,
I stopped by a ladies house that lives not too far from me and she allowed me to take this Order Bar to our illustrious forum to identify the medals attached.
I am not certain of some of them so would someone be kind enough to note what they are and if this bar is rare in any way.
The kind lady would like to know. The man was her Grandfather.
Best,
Stephen

[stogieman]

You have nice neighbours!

Hi Steven, to me, the most interesting is second place! EARLY version of the Saxon Verdienstorden, 1. klasse.
First one I've ever seen. Owned the second class, but never even had a chance at a first!
Looks like #3 is the Saxon 25-Year officer's Long-Service cross
#4: Interesting, as this appears to be the Saxon Reserve Officer's 20-Year Long Service Cross! I've never seen a 25-regular paired with a 20 year reserve before!
#5: Red Eagle Order, 4. klasse
#6: Non-Combattant Colonial Medal for South Africa
#7: Oldenburg Friedrich-August Cross, Second Class
#8: Hamburg Hanseatic Cross (WW1)
#9: Some sort of Swedish Order...

Rick L.?? The swede is??

[Klaus O.]

Rick,

It's the swedish order of the sword(s), knight class..

Ciao,

Claudio

[Christian L]

thats a really rare bar!
a lovelly pice of history - i like it very much!!!!
thanks for sharing the pic.
christian

[WNickel]

Hello Stephen,

it's a very nice bar with a rara combination of the 25 officers long service cross and the Landwehr-cross 1. class. So it is unique the bar of Oskar Georgi, 06.04.1862 - 03.02.1934.

#2 Saxon Verdienstorden, 1. klasse. 23.05.1914
#3 is the Saxon 25-Year officer's Long-Service cross
#4 is the Saxon Landwehr Long-Service cross 1.class 19.10.1902
#5: Red Eagle Order, 4. klasse 19.09.1912
#6: Non-Combattant Colonial Medal for South Africa
#7: Oldenburg Friedrich-August Cross, Second Class
#8: Hamburg Hanseatic Cross (WW1)
#9: Swedish Order of the swords 1. class 26.10.1912

He also got the

Albrechtsorder knight 1. class 24.05.1907
Albrechtsorder officer with swords 22.12.1914
Albrechtsorder commandeur with swords 22.06.1917

You must be happy, if you get a bar like this.......

Werner

[Rick Research]

Indeed, this is quite a FREAKISH combination-- the ONLY instance I can think of where a REGULAR officer had the Reserve-Landwehr 20 Years Service Cross!!!

Normally the 1920 combination of a XXV and a XX would indicate a Beamter who was also simultaneously a nominal Reserve officer!!!

If anybody can account for HOW in God's name Georgi got an XX, I'd be thrilled to hear about it!

Just to fill in some more career details (my Saxon sources do not go back before 1909)--

In 1909 he was the Inspector of Troop and Train (= Supply branch) Equipment, Dresden

From at least 1912 until the war started he was Commander of Saxon Train Battalion 12. He already had his XX by 1909, but in 1913--at age 51-- he had NOT received the XXV!!!! Frankly, I can't see how that would ever have been possible, since the XX could have been granted for one weekend every year for 20 calendar years, but the XXV required REAL fulltime service, with 1914-18 double counted as "ten" years--so ????

Major 11.1.07
Oberstleutnant 13.9.12
Oberst 16.10.14 and still in that rank beginning of 1918, though finally
Generalmajor at if not before postwar retirement

His Officer grade Albert OrderX was bestowed upon him as Commander of Supply (Train) troops, Saxon XII Army Corps, and the Commander Ggrade Albert X as Commander of Munition Columns and Supply Troops of the 3rd Army-- his highest and final wartime commander, per the Honor Rank List.

Frankly, I am astonished at a regular officer holding that XX. There were numerous occasions of drifting in and out of active, reserve, active status lower ranking officers holding the Reserve-Landwehr Decoration 2nd Class-- but that was given for time measured ultimately in months, whereas the Reserve Landwehr Decoration 1st Class could ONLY be granted for twenty years calendar time as a Reserve officer.

Mindboggling.

[Glenn2438]

Georgi

Some additional details:

Sekonde-Lieutenant: 27 Jan 1884
premier-Lieutenant:22 Sep 1890
Hauptmann : 17 May 1896

He appears to have spent most of his early career in Trainbataillon Nr. 12 being attached to ths Corps Intendent's Department of the XII Corps in 1895.

Although listed as an Hauptmann in Trainbataillon Nr. 12 in 1900 I cannot find him in the 1902 Dienstaltersliste. He is certainly not listed with the Saxon Train officers at that time.

Regards
Glenn

[WNickel]

Hi Glenn,

I think he did his work in this time as Intendanturbeamter and so he got th XX Landwehr-DA - active + Landwehrservice since 1884. Later he came back as active officer and so he completed his XXV active years and got the XXV in WW1. In the ranklist 1914 he only wear the XX Landwehr cross.

Werner

[Glenn2438]

Saxon Intendants

Hi Werner,

it certainly seems that the Royal Saxon Army was different in the manning of the Intendance Branch. In fact up to 1902 it appears that the postions of Corps and Divisional level Intendance officials in the Saxon army were held by regular officers.

Regards
Glenn

[Stephen Previtera]

Yes!

You guys are spot on!!
I am like beside myself as I did not want to reveal the officer upfront, but indeed it is General Oskar Georgi.
Nicely done. His step-Granddaughter lives here in Richmond, and I was inquiring about some translation services when she went to her cabinet and pulled out this ribbon bar, plus the EK 1, 2 1914, plus an Albrecht Order (not certain what class) and some misc. other decorations. So now I can go back to her and let her know her Grandfather was a unique guy. Thanks! I will let you know her feedback, if any.
Stephen

[Rick Research]

Medal bar combinations can keep no secrets from the Research Illuminati!

Don't mind us while we go on amongst ourselves about the arcane bureaucratic processes that would have (somehow ) counted a career officer's full time duty as "reserve" while on secondment to MilAdmin... while promoting him up through regular ranks like clockwork AND dropping glitteries on him like no Beamter (or normal Supply Corps officer!) should have had! (A Swedish Sword Order????)

(We're easily amused! )

So guys, if he joined circa 1882, why no XXV in 1913 (My "1914" Saxon is actually "as of" December 1913)... when he'd been in over THIRTY years?

Oh, for a look at his Urkunden!

[Stephen Previtera]

Tell ya what

Rick,
I will ask the kind lady if she has photos of the general, if she has urkunde of any kind, and any other info you folks might find interesting. I meet with her tomorrow.
She told me a funny story of how Oskar Georgi was always wanting for money. As a younger man he would attend formal balls and ask the girls who sat in the corners to dance. So their fathers appreciated this guy and he earned privilage by, well, dancing with wallflowers. Also, when he wanted to get his laundry done (a job so far beneath his status) he would secretly meet with the laundry lady in a park and hand the package of dirty shirts, etc. off to her, and then secretly return for them. We tend to look at the decorations and the rank, but the human side is so much more interesting to me personally. It puts the flesh on our research.
Stephen

[WNickel]

Oh Rick

he started his career in 1882 and maybe his active career ended in 1900 - this were 18 active years. Now he started his Intendanturcareer which ended in 1908 - so he got the XX cross in 1902 and so he got the XXV service cross for active officers service in 1915....

Werner

[Sal Williams]

Hi Guys,
Where do you get the books with all the lists in them? I wanna do research too! Come on guys can I play, huh,...can I? huh?
Best, Sal

[Rick Research]

Engines full astern, Sal!! Data icebergs ahead!!

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