WW1 belt and buckle

[Kelly w]

Hello, picked this up off ebay for a good price. I just want to double check if original. I did look up some past threads and noticed the detail of buckle front face, crown etc is different from other good examples.

Thanks for looking.

Kelly

[Kelly w]

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[Kelly w]

HEllo, any WW1 belt and buckle experts?? The belt is marked R & K.

Thanks
Kelly

[Chip M]

They both look fine to me. I was going to tell you that they didn't match too well pattern-wise, one being a so-called M15 steel buckle and the other being a belt with a pre-1915 brass keeper. But on closer inspection, that keeper looked sort of odd for a German one. I'll have to dig out my Austrian belts just to make sure.

Chip

[Kelly w]

Thanks Chip, any more opinions from the experts?

Kelly

[morel5000]

Hi,

R&K could mean Reinhold Kühn, known producer of belts and buckles.
Is there a date present somewhere?

Best regards,
Michel

[Brad Posey]

The belt and brass keeper are definitely not what would have been issued with the 1915 steel buckle.

Te brass keeper on the belt looks to me to be a little bigger - longer - than it should be on the 1895 or 1915 pattern belts. Put the buckle together with the belt and see if the keeper extends beyond the top and bottom sides of the buckle.

If so, then you are lucky and have scored an 1847 pattern belt. If the belt you have is the 1847 model then the 1915 buckle does not belong with it, but IMO the Model 1847 belt is much harder to find.

The 1847 buckle was much larger than the 1895/1915 buckles and thus why the keeper is much longer or wider - which ever way you look at it. The belts on 1847/1895/1915 seem to be about the width unless someone else has seen something different, I can only go off of my 1889 dated example seen here.

This is my 1847 belt and buckle. The belt is dated 1889 and is marked to several units; 13th Infantry Regiment – crossed out and replaced with 123rd Reserve Infantry Regiment. I bought this one at a flea market hooked up to a 1895 brass buckle. The guy selling it had no clue other than it was a WW I belt and buckle. These 1847 patterns were used in WW I particularly in the early days of the war and later by Landsturm etc.

Hope that helps and it would be good to see what both look like hooked up to determine if the belt is an earlier model or something else.


By the way, your buckle is 100% A-Ok.


Brad


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[Brad Posey]

This is a view of the keeper on my 1847 model belt in about the same position as your photo.



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[Kelly w]

Thanks for your help. The brass keeper is different then yours. It is 1 3/4 inches wide.

On the steel buckle, I see a few differences in the design on the crown. For example the beads on the rim, I count many more then on your buckle or any other WW1 buckle I have seen. Could it be just a very good copy?

Thanks
Kelly

[Kelly w]

And maker stamp. No date I can find.

[morel5000]

Hi,

I see a few differences in the design on the crown

Compared to which buckle? Don't compare the 1870 crown with the 1915.

If you want to check for fake and see a lot of original buckles visit (and I keep repeating myself with this link )

http://www.das-koppelschloss.de/

Best regards,
Michel

[Kelly w]

Hi,



Compared to which buckle? Don't compare the 1870 crown with the 1915.

If you want to check for fake and see a lot of original buckles visit (and I keep repeating myself with this link )

http://www.das-koppelschloss.de/

Best regards,
Michel

Thanks for the link, I will check it out.
Kelly

[Mainemilitaria]

There are many variations in WW 1 buckles.....there's NO problems here!
John G.

PS- Good link for pre-nazi buckle referance.

[Kelly w]

Ok thanks. The buckle is a good WW1 version. Now the belt and keeper? It isn't a 1847, so maybe a 1895 or WW1 Austrian?

Thanks
Kelly

[Kelly w]

Not because of lack of trying, but the belt and keeper still are not identified. It is not the 1847. And not German 1914-1918 as it has brass keeper.

Please anyone help!

Thanks
Kelly