1914 EK1 marked 'G'

[Glenn R]

Outer

[Glenn R]

This one had an identical maker's mark to yours Biro.

[Tony & Kaiser]

Ooh! Nice EK. It seems that every "G" marked EK1 has that pointy pin bottom (can you hear your mother's voice? "Be careful, you could put your eye out with that!").

The thread that Eric referred to for markings is actually a web page, here be the link:
http://www.kaisersbunker.com/stuff/1914_EK1_makers.htm

But Claudio's suggestion that "G" might actually mean "Glaser & Sohn & Dresden" is very interesting. Every reference points to "G" being Godet, but could this have been an assumption? Tony

[Biro]

Claudio's suggestion that "G" might actually mean "Glaser & Sohn & Dresden" is very interesting. Every reference points to "G" being Godet, but could this have been an assumption? Tony

Hi Claudio

Can't quite make out the maker mark on your Godet, but presume it is the full 'GODET BERLIN.' If thats the case, and yours matches mine as well as it appears too from the photo's, what would lead you to beleive the 'G' could possibly be 'Glaser & Sohn & Dresden' - have you discovered something to that effect??

Thanks everyone else - Brian R - you & I obviously have a penchant for the same stuff!! - looking forward to getting my '25' mate.....
It would certainly throw a cat amongst the pigeons to discover G was in fact not Godet!!......but I guess the likelyhood of a revelation like that this far down the historical line is remote.......or not??

[Tiger 1]

G = Godet

Biro,

I have some Godets that are marked with the G and another with side hooks and the pin marked Godet Berlin. This one has the proper Godet marked inside lid of the box. It is indented on the base to accomodate the pin and the two side hooks. When I compare the details the cores are identical. The same applies to the obverse side of Godet EKIIs marked with the G on the ring. Rest assured that the G is for Godet.

I would post some pictures but my computer isn't exactly state of the art. If anyone is interested I can find some photos and send them along to be posted via snail mail.

Happy New Year to all!

Tony

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

I pulled out my G and GODET.BERLIN marked examples for a detailed comparison and got a bit of a surprise! Although the hinge/pin/catch assemblies are very similar (if not the same), the core details are definitely different (the height of the 9 in the date is taller than the adjacent 1s on the fully marked example, the styling of the pips at the base of the crown is totally different) and the cross arm ends are slightly larger on the fully named example compared to the G example. The beading is also different on both examlpes. I'll generate some scans if anyone's interested.

I'm not going against G = Godet but I'm starting to wonder how many genuine variations there might be. Or have I snagged a G marked Frau Klietmann example - nasty thought! One thing I have against the Glaser suggestion is that the only marked pinback badges I've seen from them have an AWS type needle pin assembly.

Regards
Mike K

[Eric Stahlhut]

Mike

The 'G' stamp on the '70 and '14 examples that you refer to (widely available in England during the 50's and 60's) is much cruder than the ones depicted so far on this thread.

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Eric,

No, my G stamp appears to be the same as the ones depicted so far in the thread - maybe stamped in a little bit more firmly. Do you have an image of one of the cruder marks?

Regards
Mike K

[Eric Stahlhut]

AAArggh. My scanner is on the fritz, it's New Year's Eve, and I still have to prepare for tonight's festivities. Yep, somewhere I have some images. In the meantime, try thumbing through some old Manion's catalogs from the 80's. There seemed to be at least one example up for bid during any given auction....



HNY 2004!

[Tony & Kaiser]

Can't quite make out the maker mark on your Godet, but presume it is the full 'GODET BERLIN.' If thats the case what would lead you to beleive the 'G' could possibly be 'Glaser & Sohn & Dresden'

I assumed that Claudio was referring to the "G" marked EK in post #2 and not the Godet & Sohn Berlin EK in post #13.

Tony (great name ) supports the "G" being Godet but other EKs presumed to be Godet have different features, but with so many manufacturers making different quality EKs, I am always amazed how an EK from the same maker can have so many variations, That's why I am now hooked on EK1. My "G" (and the case) are identical to Biro's in thread #2.

I'm not going against G = Godet but I'm starting to wonder how many genuine variations there might be. Or have I snagged a G marked Frau Klietmann example

Like flight badges, I have always said that people should look at the badge first, and the maker's mark second, as that is peripheral. The EKs in this thread have been beautiful examples I would eagerly snatch into the depths of my collection (especially Claudio's Godet & Sohn Berlin marked example as I do not have one). So with the "G" ignored, the badge itself should prove itself. Like Eric said, the early copies are miles behind even today's copies and no-where near the EKs posted in this thread. Want to see a crappy replica? E-mail "the82nd" on ebay and ask for an original. Tony

[Klaus O.]

Dear Tony,

I only said that Glenn's IC could have been a "Glaser & Sohn, Dresden", because on my reference book (Jörg Nimmergut, Deutsche Orden & Ehrenzeichen bis 1945, Volume II, Limburg-Reuss, pages 1064 and 1065), the one with the similar characteristic posted by Glenn, looks completely the same like the one described on this latter book as a "Glaser" piece. If you notice, accordingly Nimmergut's picture of the Glaser piece, the pin on the back of cross is a bit more pointed at the end than the Godet piece.

My Godet Iron Cross is marked with his maker in its length: GODET.BERLIN

I am also aware of the fact that Nimmergut's Handbücher contain lots of small errors or they are, to say the least, quite incomplete.

Ciao,

Claudio

[atcase]

Hi to all,
in my collection is a `G` marked 1st class vaulted cross (a very small stamping on the underside of the pin) the upperside being stamped 800.
This is complete in its case with the godet address under a Imperial crown on the white satin area.

F godet u sohn
Kgl.Hofjuweliere
Berlin W.

The lid of the case has the replica of the cross on it includung the crown, the W and the 1914 date in silver.

Sorry there are no pictures present but my posting privlages have been suspended at present. for no known reason. as soon as they are restored i will post away.

Ashley

[JensF.]

As far as I know Glaser didn't made any prussian awards and Nimmergut is not perfect

[IVAN]

Hi to all,

recently we spoken, me and Claudio, about these EKI marked "G" . In fact Glaser's measurements are very close in my example of "G" EKI WWI, but , I spoken with Detlev ( I bought from him ) and He is sure they are Godet's EK.

here is mine.

[Klaus O.]

Ivan,


Like Jens said I based my assumptions on the Nimmergut's handbuch. It seems that these Handbücher let to be desire quite a bit, when you would like to research on such details... che chiaviche questi manuali del c..., mi sono costati un occhio del cranio (Eur 250.- a libro, 4 in tutto)!!!

Ciao,

Claudio