1914 EK1 marked 'G'

[Tim Tezer]

Hi Claudio

It would certainly throw a cat amongst the pigeons to discover G was in fact not Godet!!......but I guess the likelyhood of a revelation like that this far down the historical line is remote.......or not??

Actually, I was the cat among the pigeons about two years ago on this forum. I suggested that G was Glaser, not Godet, and I was asked by another forum member (don't recall who) where I got that information. I pointed to Jeff Jacob's book "Court Jewellers of the World" as well as to the 4-volume reference work by Jorg Nimmergut, both of which say that G is Glaser, not Godet. I was met with a stony silence.

There are two problems here - one is that Godet has developed such a reputation that anyone who has a cross marked G really wants to believe that it was made by Godet. The other problem is that there is no really comprehensive definitive work on German makers marks to settle the issue. So it's best to not make an issue of it. I have nothing invested in any G crosses myself, so I don't particularly care.

Tim

[Tim Tezer]

It's also worth mentioning that it is entirely possible that BOTH Godet and Glaser used the G hallmark. Since one was in Berlin and the other in Dresden, they may not have considered it necessary to avoid replication. It would be worth looking at marked examples such as those pictured in this thread and see if the there are any variations between pieces marked G, and if any of them are identical in style and construction to those marked "Godet Berlin".

Tim

[Tony & Kaiser]

There are two problems here - one is that Godet has developed such a reputation that anyone who has a cross marked G really wants to believe that it was made by Godet.

Hi Tim,
I actually do have some "G" EK1, but from my end, I really do not care if the maker was Godet or Glaser or Gesundheit. The quality of the piece is what is most important for me, the maker curiosity is a desire to correctly identify the maker. It always intrigues me when an item is assumed to be a certain makers as it always has been "assumed" to be so-or-so manufacturer. Personally, this is a much more enjoyable discussion regarding correctly identifying a maker on an original EK, than a knock-down-no-holds-bared "is it or isn't it real" scrap like what occurs almost daily in the Nazeee forums . Tony

[Biro]

Tamerlane


Your suggestion of a comparrison of the cores on 'full marked' and 'G' marked Godets, is spot on.

I was, however, under the impression that's exactly what Tiger1 was alluding to in his post #20

I have some Godets that are marked with the 'G' and another with side hooks and the pin marked 'Godet Berlin'. This one has the proper Godet marked inside lid of the box. When I compare the details the cores are identical. The same applies to the obverse side of Godet EKIIs marked with the G on the ring. Rest assured that the G is for Godet.

If so, maybe Tiger1 could post pics of his G marked and fully marked to me (or another user) and we can get a quick A/B of the core going - surely that would be worth the effort

Tony - I'm with you mate - I could care less whether it's Godet or Glaser, as I just love the look of this boy. I bought it cos it was stunning, and 'real' not cos it's a Godet.

Lets begin....

[Biro]

But then, of course, having re-read the thread I see Mike K had an altogether different experience.......

I pulled out my G and GODET.BERLIN marked examples for a detailed comparison and got a bit of a surprise.........the core details are definitely different......I'll generate some scans if anyone's interested.

Therefore, yes Mike - very interested in seeing those pics on this thread!!

Regards

[Tim Tezer]

Tony et al,

I heartily agree - the quality of these crosses is the real issue. While it's nice to be able to point to it and say who made it, and it's certainly important to know if there are fakes out there, these crosses are clearly all originals (so far nobody has posted any of the ugly Latvian "muffin crown" fakes with a G stamped in the pin), and I would be proud to have any one of them in my collection. But if Glaser made any of these, and Nimmergut is right (he must be right occasionally, for all his faults), then Glaser should get the credit they are due for making some pretty fine quality items.

Tim

[Tiger 1]

Biro,

I've made some plans to have some pictures taken of my Godets this weekend by my good friend and forum member George L. He will be able to post the results for you shortly after that.

Tony

[Biro]

Brilliant Tony (Tiger1) - Thanks.

If Mike K could also post his, we might have an interesting few days.

[JensF.]

This may be helpful. Here is a second class marked "G" for Godet. It has the same front like Biros EK1.

[Biro]

Thanks JensF

Here's an A/B of the two you mention for others to compare

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

I've been away for a week or so. Here are some scans of my two examples as requested. I'll have to redo the obverse images later as they are too dark. It should be noted that the "GODET.BERLIN" marked example is convex whereas the "G" marked example is flat-backed.

Regards
Mike K

[atcase]

Godet case

Hi to all,
here is my Godet marked case.

Ashley

[atcase]

Here are a couple more, hope you enjoy.
The lid of the box carries a facsimile of the cross including the crown, `W` and date are shown.


Ashley

[IVAN]

Hi to all,
here is my Godet marked case.

Ashley

Hi Ashley

very nice case !

ivan

[Biro]

Thanks Mike and Ashley

OK - so here's some comparisons of the best we have to date.....

On the left, MikeK's full marked GODET.BERLIN and on the right, Claudios' also with the same GODET.BERLIN mark, (but slightly different pin and catch)
see pic # 1...

As Mike pointed out in his earlier post, his Obverse is considerably different to his 'G' marked crosses, (different crown, dates, .....) whereas Claudios, although a full marked piece, appears to have the same core characteristics as the 'G' .
see pic # 2

Therefore, my question to those who might know would be,
'is Claudios piece the 'middle man' between 'G' and Godet and therefore the reason most of you consider 'G' to be Godet (including, I read here, Detlev)

or am I a dickhead......



pic # 1