Originally posted by Eric Stahlhut
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Eric, I know that Rothe made EK, but are there examples of EK1 marked "Rothe & Neffe"? This list only concerns know marks found on EK1. T
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Ooops, sorry, Tony. The R&N crest is similar to the Meybauer mark, but is comprised of a double-headed eagle. The marks are so small you have to look rather closely.Originally posted by Tony & KaiserComment
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Ok, that is fine as well, can you or anyone post a good scan of the two marks to compare? If the Rothe mark is so close to a Meybauer, I suspect one has been mistaken for the other many times. Please check my Meybauer mark to make sure I have not made an error? I can clean up my drawings to show the differences if I had something to go by. TOriginally posted by Eric Stahlhut
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Hi Tony,
I was away when this thread was started. I have a few to add/clarify;
- FR needs to be added (capital letters incuse relief below the catch). Note that I have an "Fr." marked example and it is totally different from my "FR" marked example.
- J.H. WERNER BERLIN (all capitals, J.H. WERNER stamped below the hinge, BERLIN stamped above the catch).
- Re K.M.S.T. crosses, I have only seen them marked K.M.S.T. on one cross arm and D.R.G.M. on the opposite cross arm. The marks are normally raised, however I have an example on which the marks are stamped and, in addition, on the pin is stamped (incuse relief) KM 800 (separate stamps).
- Re Godet, I haven't seen the "J.Godet & Sohn Berlin" mark (although Bowen records such a mark - note the addition of the "J."), only the "GODET.BERLIN" marking (the period is at half height).
- Re "N", I haven't personally seen an EK1 with this marking but I read somewhere that the N was for Neuhaus & Sohn Berlin. Re the location for "N" in your listing, I have Rosner, Dresden down as maker "R" but I've never seen and "R" marked EK1.
- Re the "Y", I have an example stamped on the underside of the pin which, to me, looks more like a seriffed V (seriffs top and bottom of the V). Maybe it's the same, maybe different.
- Re "Wilm", does someone have this marking on an EK1? I 've only seen it on an EK2 so I'd like to see a pic if someone has one.
- Bowen reports a "C W" marking on an EK1 pin.
- What about Third Reich replacement 1914 EK1s? - eg L/54, L/11, L/12, etc?
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Hello Mike,Originally posted by Mike K
Enjoying your summer down there? Its only -15 right now here on the top of the globe. Thank you all the help with this, I want this list to be useful, which means it has to be accurate.
I added FR but do not know if this is a variation of a Friedländer so I question-marked that.
J.H. WERNER BERLIN has been added to the list.
Re Godet & Sohn Berlin, that was an error on my part, it now reads GODET.BERLIN.
Re "N" that was also an error, I had that mixed up with Rosner Dresden but have not seen an EK1 made by Rosner Dresden, so that is gone.
You are right, the "Y" could also be a "V" so I made note of this.
Re the "C W" marking on an EK1, I would like to see one before I add it.
As for that ghastly Third Reich stuff, that would make this reference page unmanageable, so I added a caveat at the top of the page saying that it does not cover the TR period. Yes, that was the easy way out.
The list: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/stuff/1914_EK1_makers.htm TonyComment
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Heather Locklear Loaded,nude except for a picklehaub. I think you are a man after my own heart. The thought puts very pleasant images in my mind.
By the way thanks for the EKI info.Comment
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Tony
What about poor Wilm?......Comment
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Are there any EK1 marked "Wilm"? I only know EKII with that mark.Comment
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JensF
Mike K actually raised the same query as you about 'Wilm' and EK1's in his post #34 above, and I was pointing out that it was the only one on Mike's list of queries that Tony didn't appear to address.....Comment
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Hi,
Here are my "FR" (left) and "Fr." (right) examples. Even with the smallish scans they are totally different - crown, W, date, size, hinge/pin/catch. IMO, different makers. The FR may be a Sedlatzek variation - I've also heard someone ?guessing? Frank & Reif.
Regards
Mike K
Last edited by Mike Kenny; 01-02-2004, 03:24 AM.Regards
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No agenda here, I did not address it as I thought "Wilm" was a recognized maker's mark found on EK1. If no-one has one or have seen one, I will remove it, but I need more than one person questioning it, the best thing about this forum, is that I trust the experience and knowledge of the majority. Anyone have or seen a Wilm EK1? Or should I remove it?Originally posted by Biro
I also asked awhile back if anyone has seen a Rothe double-headed eagle stamp on an EK1. In Previtera's outstanding book "The Iron Time" he mistakenly identified the Meybauer mark as Rothe & Neffe which has caused some confusion. I spoke with Stephen and he said that yes, it was an error. But the book is amazing. If any of you do not have one; why? Get it! Tony
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Tony, I thought and perhaps I'm wrong that the KO mark was in Stuttgart, not Berlin? Am I wrong?Comment
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