1813 ek2

[Blitz]

So a 4- and 2-part construction of the frame is a firm indication that a piece can be dated to the freedom war period, if it's autencity is not a question?

[translator]

So a 4- and 2-part construction of the frame is a firm indication that a piece can be dated to the freedom war period, if it's autencity is not a question?

In my opinion, yes these are "good" signs, but as someone has already pointed out factors like the dimensions and weight of the piece should also be considered. There are other considerations, as well, and these probably fall into a more "gray" area but should still be taken into account: these factors vary based on individual collector - some want a positive id back to the awardee, others find they have a need to trust the dealer/collector/auction house from whom they obtained the piece, etc. etc. These factors are not to be taken lightly any longer, because of the growing number of convincing repros that have been hitting even these (non-1939) markets. Regarding the 1813 Iron Cross, simply because the piece cannot be attributed directly to the 1813-1815 period of production should not, in my opinion, cause the piece to be "less desirable" than a piece made at a later date in the "production chain" - even as late as the Franco-Prussian War period. But what this SHOULD do, in my opinion, is to cause the price level paid for the piece to be lower.

[Blitz]

Allright, since dimensions have a part in it, what would you say to this: W:42,18 mm H: 47,95 Weight: 19,00 g (with ribbon) ?

[atcase]

Hi to all,

with regard to request i will endeavor to to at least measure the cross accurately, i must confess that when i began collecting due to the fact that i only brought locally from people that i trusted these "must have tools" were never part of the collectors `tool bag` so to speak.

But with the ever spirialing cost of pieces and the desire by fraudsters to rip people off i had better get `tooled up` my self (then try and work out how to use them !!)

I shall get back to you after the week end.

Ashley

[Blitz]

Wise words, Ashley, wise words.

[George Stimson]

Antti,

I'll PM you the specs on my 1813 EK 2.

[Blitz]

Thanks, mate

[Blitz]

Btw, are there any referens books that specializes in 1813/1870 EKs?

[Tiger 1]

Btw, are there any referens books that specializes in 1813/1870 EKs?

Antti,

A very worth while book about Imperial EKs is the following.

DAS EISERNE KREUZ 1813-1870-1914, by Friedhelm Heyde, published in 1980 by Biblio Verlag, Osnabruck. ISBN 3-7648-1195-1 (Band 1, Teil A, B, C) or ISBN 3-7648-1197-8 (kompl. Reihe)

This is about as excellent a reference as is out there on the earlier EKs. It has been out of print for quite some time but is worth trying to get a copy if you're serious about these early EKs. It was published in German and shows many examples of Imperial EKs and ribbons in 1:1 and 2:! scales along with weights and measures.

Hope this helps some.

Tony

[atcase]

Hi all
have finally managed to measure the cross, the cross is of the wide flange variety.
height = 43mm

width = 42.5 mm

thickness = 2.5 mm

width of flange = 2.6mm

Hopefully this is of intrest.

Ashley

[atcase]

OOOOPS sorry all please disregard the photos titled 1813p as these are of a different cross (prinzen variety)

apoligies again

Ashley

[Blitz]

Tony, are there any good referens books in english? I can speak and read german, but it's kinda painfull

[FrankS]

For the book Tony mentioned you don't need to be able to read German. It is mostly pictures. In the short text part of the book is nothing written which is not already known by an iron cross collector. In one section the book has a description of all shown crosses with weights and measurements. The book shows really great Iron crosses especially of the 1813 series. If you have a chance, get it!

DAS EISERNE KREUZ 1813-1870-1914, by Friedhelm Heyde, published in 1980 by Biblio Verlag, Osnabruck. ISBN 3-7648-1195-1

[Blitz]

Oh... No problems then