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    Default EK1 1914 from vet NAMED, info please

    Hi Guys, I just picked up a large grouping of items brought back from WW2 by a US vet, to include this EK1, 1914. As far as I can tell, it is unmarked. It has the owner's name "Maltitz" nicely engraved on the back. It has the side hooks or "fangs", possibley jeweler added? It also has a small crack in the center of the iron. I was wondering if anyone has seen one like it before or knows what maker it is? I notice the "W" looks thinner than most, at least to me. It came with a bunch of pins attached to a pennant as shown. Your thoughts are appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Gerard

    PS-if you have question, email me at idols2@fast.net , as my PM box is nearly full and I hate dealing with it.

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    Hi Gerard. Straight on pics of the front and back would be better than the artsy angles.
    pseudo-expert

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      #3
      Sorry Don,
      I find medals the toughest for me to photograph, I was actually trying to show details from the side. Here are straight-on shots, as good as I can get them. If you need better, maybe I can try outside tomorrow.

      Gerard

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        #4
        If anyone can give me any information about this EK1, it would be greatly appreciated.


        Thanks,

        Gerard

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          #5
          wel i can give jou what i think about it,,,

          its not much

          i never seen one off these

          the core seems to me alwright
          only the bachk puzzles me

          fangs look to be attaged not originaly

          pin system has sumthing off werner und sohne type,,,but way off

          the thin W i seen before ,,only i cant recall where,,,

          this is a verry distinktive design so i dont know if this one is original at all

          maybe someone else knows more about this one

          regards kay

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            #6
            The cross itself is a good cross. Nice core detail and nice patina
            to the silver frame. I believe (like Kay said) that the side hooks
            have been added. The engraving is also questionable. This all might
            be period done but my guess is that it is an attempt to upgrade a good
            cross to get a better selling price. I have no proof of this. It's just
            a gut feeling.

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              #7
              Yeh, I tend to agree with Greg. But let's assume the engraving is period, would you go to that trouble then get the hooks soldered on like that?

              While this is probably an unfair comparison, (and a poor photo) this is an 1870 with side hooks, properly placed on by a Jeweller.
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                #8
                Hey Guys, the cross is unquestionabley untouched. I got it with a group of items last week from the family of the vet who brought it back. I am not asking about originality. I paid next to nothing for it. The people I bought it from don't know militaria or even what it is. It was pinned to the above pennant since the end of WW2 and has never been off. I am sure the family didn't know it was engraved or that it had those side hooks. I never even heard of "fangs" until I looked at this cross the day I opened the box from them. I was just wondering if it's a known maker, and what period the cross is- WW1, WW2, or between?

                God Bless,

                Gerard

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                  #9
                  I'd say wartime- 1914-18.
                  pseudo-expert

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                    #10
                    Thanks Don, I take it that it's an unknown maker then?

                    Gerard

                    Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
                    I'd say wartime- 1914-18.

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                      #11
                      Unknown as of now. I think the fangs were added after manufacture also. Possibly the recipiant had it modified for a more secure fit during wear.
                      pseudo-expert

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                        #12
                        Gerard,
                        If the cross has not been touched since ww2 then you have a very
                        nice cross. My concern with the engraving is that in the pictures
                        it appears that some of the engraved name is still shiney. I would
                        have thought that the dark patina found on the front of the cross
                        would be found in the engraved name. The sidehooks are not original
                        to the cross but very well may have been a period modification.

                        Don is correct in saying that it looks to be a 1914-1918 made cross.
                        You can try matching it against known makers that we have on file in
                        our database.--------

                        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=263078

                        The hinge pin assembly looks somewhat like those made by "WS" . You might start there.
                        Last edited by gregM; 07-18-2008, 11:39 AM.

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                          #13
                          The name does not come up in my officer list.
                          Imperial German Medalbars and Ribbonbars

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                            #14
                            Not been touched. I will post all the items from this vet find when I get the rest. Some incredible items in it. I agree, in person, the side hooks look added, but obviously period done. I agree, the back looks polished a little bit, but it's mostly dull. When you look closely at the letters, they have little horizontal lines engraved inside them. Really nicely done. Maybe she polished it before she sent it to me to see what was writeen there? I don't think the vet's daughter would have this done, have the side hooks added to sell me this cross for $35. Wouldn't be cost effective. Everything else is 100% original and untouched. In the lot I got an SA General's Kepi, possibley belonging to Ritter von Epp, SS Nco bullion collar tab, Heer M35 re-issue helmet, near mint, tons of tinnies, party pins, a few armbands, flags, bayonets, etc, etc. Will post photos of the lot when I have the remainder.


                            Gerard

                            Originally posted by gregM View Post
                            Gerard,
                            If the cross has not been touched since ww2 then you have a very
                            nice cross. My concern with the engraving is that in the pictures
                            it appears that some of the engraved name is still shiney. I would
                            have thought that the dark patina found on the front of the cross
                            would be found in the engraved name. The sidehooks are not original
                            to the cross but very well may have deen a period modification.

                            Don is correct in saying that it looks to be a 1914-1918 made cross.
                            You can try matching it against known makers that we have on file in
                            our database.--------

                            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=263078

                            The hinge pin assembly looks somewhat like those made by "WS" . You might start there.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by gregM View Post
                              Gerard,
                              If the cross has not been touched since ww2 then you have a very
                              nice cross. My concern with the engraving is that in the pictures
                              it appears that some of the engraved name is still shiney. I would
                              have thought that the dark patina found on the front of the cross
                              would be found in the engraved name. The sidehooks are not original
                              to the cross but very well may have been a period modification.

                              Don is correct in saying that it looks to be a 1914-1918 made cross.
                              You can try matching it against known makers that we have on file in
                              our database.--------

                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=263078

                              The hinge pin assembly looks somewhat like those made by "WS" . You might start there.
                              jes and look fore that skinny W ,,,thats one off a kind ,,, there not much off makers around having that kind off skinny W
                              ,,

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