EK1 made by Wilhelm Deumer

[Luft62]

Hi,

Did Wilhelm Deumer WD Lüdenscheid produce EK1s (or EK2) during World War One?
If so, does anybody have an example of such an EK1 that they can post pics of?

[Sonderkommando]

Hi Tim,
I have been doing a bit of checking and have found Deumers website. It says that they have been gold and silversmiths since 1863 so I would say that they may have made EK's in WW1. Checking through old threads I have found the marking "WILM" on Imperial EK2's which may be Deumers mark for that period, distinguishing it from say "W" for Wagner or "W+S" for Wagner and son.
If you want to check out the website it is

http://www.deumer.de/


Maybe you could email them and ask if they made Imperial EK's.

deumer@t-online.de

Hope this helps a bit.

Cheers,
Brett

[Luft62]

Hi All,
I have established that Deumer did most likely produce EKs during WW1.
Can someone tell me what markings Wilhelm Deumer used on WW1 period awards?
Is it "WILM" as Brett suggest in the previous post?

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Tim,

I don't know what, if any, marking Deumer may have used pre-LDO. I'm no so sure about "WILM" being correct though. I have a suspicion I have seen a maker's mark label which indicated WILM to be a surname (?? "I. WILM" ??).

Regards
Mike K

[Tom Y]

The WILM mark is for Mark-Andreas Wilm of Berlin, now in Hamburg. A pretty illustrious firm.

[Luft62]

Hi Tom, Mike,

I have just sent off an enquiry to Deumer asking them for information regarding whether they produced the EK1 during WW1 and if so, what they used for a makers mark.
Hopefully I will get a helpful response and the question will be answered.
I checked in "The Iron Time" but whilst various makers marks are listed, there is no explanation or key to what they actually stand for.

[JensF.]

Actually it was H. J. Wilm, königlicher Silberschmid from Berlin who made 1914 EKIIs. These are marked "Wilm" and rare!

[JensF.]

I've just got an EKII 1914 on women bow with the makers mark "D" at the side of the big ring. I've never seen a makers mark at that place! Maybe this was Deumer? They made Hindenburg Crosses in 1934, mabe they made EKs in 1914 too.

[andya]

Hi
I know this is an old thread but I have been doing some research and was wandering if anyone had an answer to the original question asked here:
"Did Wilhelm Deumer WD Lüdenscheid produce EK1s (or EK2) during World War One?"
I collect the blue paper packets of issue and matching crosses and have obtained a WD marked packet with a frosted WW1 EK2 that I believe is a Deumer piece. I have a number of these packets and crosses and always belived them to be WW1 period issue hence my interest
thanks
andy

ps have just written to the firm to see if they can help

[streptile]

I believe they did, personally. I've just seen a lot of little pieces of evidence here and there to persuade me they most likely did.

[andya]

Received a reply direct from Deumer as follows and I quote:

"The mark WD was used bei Deumer in that time and Deumer did manufacture iron crosses.

Unfortunately more information from this period is not available."

regards
andy

[gregM]

a great bit of information.
Now we need to see the pictures

[andya]

pics

a great bit of information.
Now we need to see the pictures

here you go

[andya]

rear

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[streptile]

Well, the cross is definitely a Deumer if that's what you meant (Deumer frame, Deumer's first core type).

Wartime Deumers also had hardware on the reverse of the 1. Classes that was different from the later Weimar and TR-era hardware, in my opinion.