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    #61
    Ian,

    First it is important to decide whether you want the uniform to be enlisted, warrant officer or officer.

    I suggest going either with an 80s era open collar era NCO Tunic or Warrant Officer Tunic. And to keep it simple so that the accoutrements are more easy to acquire, use an infantry one - white piping all around. This gives you many more options on the diifferent accessories. You can always wear an older decoration (to a reasonable degree) on a later uniform - but you can never go backwards.

    -Lyre sleeve patch { worn by warrant officers only ]

    -Lyre pin for the shoulder boards [ silver to enlisted; gold for warrant officers ]

    -shoulder boards [ NCO or warrant; white ]

    -swallows nests [ all white; either with or without the fringe-tassels. It will cost you the same for either one, and I personally think the Stabsmusikkorps (with fringe-tassles) looks more cool. ]

    -white parade belt [ Yes ]

    - uniformhose (riding breeches, or white piped pants?) [ Breeches - they look better and you get to wear the white belt with the plastic parade helmet - very cool. ]

    -white gloves [ Yes - white ]

    - Parade helmet (normal metal, or lightweight version?) [ Plastic / resin Parade Helmet - always. ]

    You will also need either a Repraesentationsschnur or Achselschnuere, depending upon whether you elect Enlisted or warrant officer.

    Repraesentationsschnure - Enlisted / NCO
    Achselschnuere - warrant officer

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    Ian,

    Here is a suggestion - and only a suggestion.

    The NVA Band Uniform is unique in one aspect. It is the only uniform where the NCO (Tress on the Collar) Tunic actually looks better (in parade configuration) than the officer and warrant officer uniform. Again, this is because they wore everything the officer's wore, even their own version of the parade cord; but also had the Tress on their collars. It made for a really striking uniform indeed.

    I personally would go open collar and preferably late. This gives you more space to work with.

    I would use an infantry tunic and stay "White". That also makes everything more easy to acquire. You can get a matching pair of white swallows nest on American ebay for about $20.00 plus shipping.

    Helmet - By keeping the uniform late 80s, you have more options on the helmet. You can fit your bandsman with any one of the different plastic helmets that were produced, and still be correct.

    Use riding breeches. They look better and you get to wear the plastic helmet this way.

    Tunic. By keeping with an NCO Tunic, you don't have to worry about getting a Lyre patch and sewing it on.

    The uniform, even though NCO, should be constructed of dederon. They are easy to find. Most originated out of or from Berlin and they appear on ebay all the time.
    Last edited by Michael D. Gallagher; 08-02-2009, 01:47 PM.
    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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      #62
      Ian,

      Here is a 1985 Grenztruppen NCO Stabsmusikkorps Bandsman Tunic set up for display.
      The only thing you would change for your Tunic would be the belt.
      You would want a white in color belt.
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      Michael D. GALLAGHER

      M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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        #63
        Hi Michael

        That's a nice bandsman
        You can always send him to Holland for new instructions...........



        Regards , Johan

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          #64
          Johan,

          When he needs music training, your place is certainly without question, the place he will need to go.
          Michael D. GALLAGHER

          M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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            #65
            I just ran across this photo in a 1990 copy of Trend the Soldier's Newspaper:

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              #66
              Grenz Band Leaders Rank Insignia

              Thank you for the information on the Grenz Warrant Officer sholderboard gold Lyre arrangement. Now, does anyone know of a supplier/dealer that has any gold lyre devices available?

              Thanks again,
              Lancer21

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                #67
                Grenz Band Leaders Rank Insignia

                Also on the hunt for the appropriate mounted medals for the same uniform.

                Thanks you,
                Lancer21

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                  #68
                  sweet. Nice reference pix. If michael might elaborate, you said that the NVA NCO stabsmusikkorps uniforms were made of 'dederin'...is that a quasi-gaberdine material? I'm not familiar with it. Also, do the Grenzer musikkorps scale of issue differ from that of the NVA?

                  -Ian

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                    #69
                    Ian - I believe he means gaberdine material. Dederon was the trademark name of an East German synthetic fiber made of a polyamide that could mimic nylon and silk. It could also be blended with natural fibres such as wool. It was produced by the VEB Kombinat "Wilhelm Pieck" in Rudolstadt-Schwarza which had the chemical fiber plant "Herbert Warnke" in Wilhelm-Pieck-Stadt and artificial silk plant "Friedrich Engels" in Premnitz.

                    Dederon is modeled after Perlon that was used as a synthetic fiber in Germany during WWII and West Germany after the war. Since Perlon was trademarked in West Germany in 1952, East Germany came up with Dederon which contains the initals DDR.

                    For more see: http://www.german-hosiery-museum.de/...on/dederon.htm
                    Last edited by ehrentitle; 08-03-2009, 09:58 AM.

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                      #70
                      Gentlemen,

                      To elaborate a little more on DEDERON. As a synthetic material similar to nylon it was always my understabding that this was the material used for the lining in the tunics. The word DEDERON can be found stamped on the lining of early NVA tunics. Gaberdine is a term associated with a finer and better quality material used for the body of the uniform. A uniform of a Warrent Officer would be made of a better quality material similar to that used in an officers tunic.

                      Regards,

                      Gordon

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                        #71
                        By far I'm no expert on the topic, but since Dederon could be blended with wool and rayon it's very possible that it's in the entire tunic. Not just the lining.
                        Last edited by ehrentitle; 08-03-2009, 03:59 PM.

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                          #72
                          Members,

                          Ian, You may want to go over to Bob Gowens' Website as he used to sell an english translation of the 1st edition of militarische uniformen in der DDR. It is well worth the 20 or so I paid for it.

                          Welcome to the forum!

                          Paul Heath

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                            #73
                            oh, got it. And now that you mention it, I do rememeber seeing that translation on bob's sight. i'm a frequent buyer there...

                            -Ian

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                              #74
                              Ian,

                              To make it simple - The Tunic for the NCO bandsmen is of officer grade material - not the wool commonly associated with the regular NVA.

                              The operative word being "Gabardine".
                              Michael D. GALLAGHER

                              M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Lancer21 View Post
                                Also on the hunt for the appropriate mounted medals for the same uniform.

                                Thanks you,
                                Lancer21
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                                It isn't necessary to acquire the medals in an already mounted configuration. Most medals on my uniforms are individually mounted in such a way that they overlap one another, giving the impression they are mounted. The fact is, this was done more often than many realize, and works quite well.
                                Michael D. GALLAGHER

                                M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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