Lanyards from former DDR army...

[Johann Anton]

Third Reich Political, also 4 strand...(and holy crap, it's time to put a vacuum to these)!

[Gordon Craig]

Johann,

Thanks for the picture. I'll be picking up the box today. Your post raises the question of just exactly what Robert was looking for when he asked about "lanyards"? Perhaps we are looking at two countries separated by a common language? The pictures I posted were of a shooting lanyard. The pictures you posted would appear to be that of an Aiguillette for an officer. Two entirely different beasts. Perhaps we need to refine our terminology and I need to make sure that I am replying with the correct photos on a post. I have been concerned for some time about officers Aiguillettes from both the DDR and the Bundeswehr being substituted for Third Reich items and their substantially higher prices. I've seen it done on a number of uniforms for sale. Perhaps that would make a good thread. The difference between all three types.

Cheers,

Gordon

[robert60446]

Hi Guys,
This is exactly what I’m trying to do. Unfortunately many bad guys are trying to “upgrade” TR lanyards by using DDR or Bundeswehr cords. Lack of any serious reference guides makes it even harder for ordinary collector. Hopefully maybe we can learn something new here.

I have been concerned for some time about officers Aiguillettes from both the DDR and the Bundeswehr being substituted for Third Reich items and their substantially higher prices. I've seen it done on a number of uniforms for sale. Perhaps that would make a good thread. The difference between all three types.

[Johann Anton]

Good point Gordon, I have indeed been posting aig's.........My bad.

[Gordon Craig]

Gents,

To continue our discussion. Before getting into the nitty gritty of counting the number of threads in each part of the Aiguillete lets look at the ferrules. This is what I am used to calling the metal tips of the aiguillette. I am going to post some scans from a reprint of a 1930s Assman Catalogue that show the ferrules for a number of different organizations within Germany at this time. The book covers the Weimar/Wehrmacht period so should be correct for at least the early Wehrmacht. I do not have another catalogue to compare this one to but I have to assume that the designs shown were specified by the specific organizations and not picked at random by Assman.
First, the Wehrmacht.

[Gordon Craig]

Now the Kriegsmarine.

[Gordon Craig]

There is no listing in the catalogue for the Luftwaffe so the catalogue must date before 1935. Here is the RAD.

[Gordon Craig]

The last one is the TENO. Anyone else have any scans they could post of these devices from catalogues?

[Tribley]

For comparison to the TR and DDR aiguillettes and shooting cords, here is some Bundeswehr/West German stuff:

Bundeswehr shooting cord, 4 strands on the cord, 3 on the knot, and 2 on the braids behind the badge.

-Jordan

[Tribley]

Bundeswehr officer's aiguillette, no ferrules on this. The cords are woven with four strands going in one direction and three in the other.

[Tribley]

I was sold this aiguillette as an East German one but have not seen any with similar ferrules on an East German general's uniform in any photos. Maybe someone can identify it.

[Tribley]

Closeup of the cords, four strands.

[Kozlov]

Shouldnt this all be in the fash section of this forum?

[Gordon Craig]

Tribley,

Thanks for your participation. I do not think your cord is East German. The ferrules do not look correct. Accordoing to Keubke, in his latest book, there were silver and gold Achselschnur in the NVA. I have posted a scan of the reference page. He doesn't go into a lot of detail about who wore what though.

Regards,

Gordon

[Kozlov]

Shouldnt this all be in the fash section of this forum?

Or at least the DDR one...