Fieldcaps set for ID

[chiffonnier]

I'm having some trouble finding out from what branch or organisation these ecxactly are.
Ornamental single button green piped field caps,summer and winter.
Both unused/unissued,and both marked inside; Kleiderkasse e.G. Köln.
Any thoughts?
All the best,
Kees

[chiffonnier]

Inside view.
I checked the BGS,ZOLL and various polizei threads but maybe I overlooked these somewhere..

[speedytop]

Hi Kees,

there is a "Kleiderkasse e. G. Warengenossenschaft für Berufs-und Schutzkleidung 85521 Köln", > "for professional and protective clothing"

I think, that it is civilian, may be e.g. for forestry workers.

Uwe

[chiffonnier]

Uwe;
I like the idea these caps are forest related.
Like the Forstverwaltung has the dark green piping,maybe other organisations have this lighter green.
Naturschutz,Waldschutz and Jagdschutz all are organisations where you can find armbadges from,so maybe one of those.
I've tried to find some uniform history on the web but without succes sofar.
Not much of a collectors field it seems ,yet...
All the best,
Kees

[Collectinsteve]

I also agree that Forst, or something similar, is a strong possibility. But as you say there is almost no documentation of these organizations' uniforms. On top of that, I do not know how centralized their purchasing is. There could be a dozen different uniforms in service at any one time and/or little concern about variations from different manufacturers that save money but do not conform to previous designs.

Steve

[chiffonnier]

I also agree that Forst, or something similar, is a strong possibility. But as you say there is almost no documentation of these organizations' uniforms. On top of that, I do not know how centralized their purchasing is. There could be a dozen different uniforms in service at any one time and/or little concern about variations from different manufacturers that save money but do not conform to previous designs.

Steve

Steve,what you say applies to Feuerwehr and to a certain degree Polizei as well.
And since both seemed to work with this kleiderkasse phenomenon ;wouldn't it be possible these caps are in fact Polizei,but just a variation with one button ?
The Feuerwehr had these fieldcaps with one and two buttons for sure.
Polizei,Feuerwehr,Bahn etc wear all clothing that is basically "berufskleidung".


Kees

[speedytop]

Kees,

Polizei, Feuerwehr and Bahn had normally their own shops (e.g. Kleiderkassen).

In my opinion these field caps are civilian, not related to Polizei, Feuerwehr or Bahn.

Uwe

[chiffonnier]

Uwe;
When I google Kleiderkasse e.G. Köln;out comes another,besides the one you've posted, Warengenossengeschaft für Berufs und schutzkleidung with number 50670.
So is there a list with those numbers that links actual firmnames to these numbers ?
Or are these the numbers of the shops you mention ?
I always pictured the term Kleiderkasse more as a fund out of what clothing was paid,so every firm could deliver to that kleiderklasse,is that correct ?
Not much information on the web about this whole kleiderkasse business.
Intriguing though !
All the best,
Kees

[speedytop]

Kees,

50670 is correct for Köln, as the postal code!

The term "Kleiderkasse" stand normally for a special system.
It was a shop for special organizations, mostly federal.

For example the old Bundeswehr-Kleiderkasse (now LHD), for Bw and BGS:
It was a shop, where officers and senior NCO's could buy several articels/goods, not only uniform parts or military equipment.
They had an account at the Kleiderkasse, where the Bw paid a monthly amount.
The man could buy what he want there, but he must not. He could also buy an uniform part from a civilian tailoring, and the Kleiderkasse had to pay the invoice, if all was correct and allowed.
The Kleiderkasse was not a military organization. They had to offer several uniform parts, and they could offer several other civilian parts.
And they could buy all these parts where they want to buy them. For example they could buy decorations from Steinhauer & Lück or from other suppliers.

See now the new LDH, with several partners like Bundeswehr and Bundespolizei (former BGS):

http://www.lhd-gruppe.de/en/references.html

I don't think, that all the listed partners had the same system as Bundeswehr and Bundespolizei.
But I think, that they had a special contract with special conditions for the members of the different partners.

And I don't think, that the above mentioned "Kleiderkasse e. G. Warengenossenschaft für Berufs-und Schutzkleidung 50670 Köln" had the same contracts like the Kleiderkasse der Bundeswehr.

Uwe

[Gordon Craig]

Uwe,

Thanks for the excellent explanation of what Kleiderkasse actually means.

Regards,

Gordon

[chiffonnier]

Uwe;
Thank you for your explanation,all becomes more clearer now for me and I'll have to dive in that link you've posted as soon as I find the time.
Maybe I'll even find some forest related supliers between those LDH partners.
My two caps go on the mystery pile ,wich is still growing,but in this case with a yellow POST-IT memo; most likely forestry.
All the best,
Kees