West German Polizei

[Klaus1989]

Nice Tschakos!

I had officers uniform from same time period but sold it recently. I never knew Berlin wore blue felt Tschako - I always think postwar were all leather.

regards
Klaus

[SCHUPO]

Nice Tschakos!

I had officers uniform from same time period but sold it recently. I never knew Berlin wore blue felt Tschako - I always think postwar were all leather.

regards
Klaus

Some of the WWII period Tschakos were recycled after the war. The green felt body covering was dyed black and new cockades and Wappen plates were added. So, one will also find these Tschakos with pre-1945 markings on the inside.

[Huntzman]

Yep, thats a bandage pocket. Although you rarely ever find the actual bandages in them

Today I was taking pics of my Baden-Wuerttemberg police tunic to go up for sale, I noticed a small pocket in the bottom front of the tunic. I have never seen it before, I reached in and found a small what I think is a medic gauze. I have had the tunic for almost 10 years and never knew. Its early I think 70's, go for sale if anybody would like pics

Mike

The East German Police terminated wear of the Tschako in the early 60s. They continued in use with the West German Police until the early 70s.

Nice Tschakos and a great great example of the early Berlin High Crown Badge (Enlisted)


Andrew

[Guardian 5]

Michael - Outstanding photographs!

As an aside, do you happen to know what occasioned the wear of a shako? In my 'coffee table' Berlin Crisis books I often see pictures of West Berlin Policemen (presumably all Schupos) wearing shakos with others sporting the M-43 style cap and billed 'saucer caps'.

Was it an EM - NCO - officer thing; duty position; traffic versus patrol? Any light you could shed on this would be deeply appreciated.

In another aside, I saw these Polizei specialist epaulettes on Manion's and thought they may be of interest to some.

Thanks - TJ

[Guardian 5]

Of medics and musicians........

[HPL2008]

Of medics and musicians........

Allow me to remark that the Caduceus does not not identify medics, actually, but administrative officials.

Medical officers are identified by an Aesculapius Rod.

Both symbols can be seen here:
http://www.rangabzeichen.verbandsabzeichen.info/2.html

[Guardian 5]

HPL2008 - Thank you very much for the clarification.

I would highly recommend the link to anyone interested in current Polizei rank insignia; very informative.

Thanks again - TJ

[Huntzman]

If anyone is interested in seeing the metal versions used by the BGS click on the attached link. They are closer to the page bottom:

http://www.huntzmanpatches.com/Germa...ank%28C%29.htm

Also, on this page you can see the Leitendermedizinaldirektor rank from Bavaria:

http://www.huntzmanpatches.com/Germa...nia%28C%29.htm

Andrew

[Guardian 5]

Gents - Here was another fine lot that was recently sold at auction.

All the best - TJ

[Guardian 5]

Insignia close-up.

[Guardian 5]

I found it interesting that the labels are still reflective of the austere DDR marking style.

[Guardian 5]

I suppose it would be unrealistic of me to expect that barely a year after Unification our friends in the East would be throwing down with a flashy capitalistic label...

[chiffonnier]

1968 bremen polizei raincoat

hello,when I saw Dougo's 1967 bremen tunic I thougt I should post this 1968 bremen raincoat.
never has been worn but there is a name written on the BEKA regenbekleidung label,wich is Hofmann.
all the best,
kees

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[uscob]

Allow me to remark that the Caduceus does not not identify medics, actually, but administrative officials.

Medical officers are identified by an Aesculapius Rod.

Both symbols can be seen here:
http://www.rangabzeichen.verbandsabzeichen.info/2.html

In the english translation for Merkurstab and Aesculapstab you find caduceus for both. So Administration and Medical.
Here's a Text copied from the US 670-1 Regulation:
(20) Medical Corps. The officer branch insignia is a gold-colored caduceus, 1 inch in height. Enlisted personnel
have the same design on a 1-inch disk, in gold-colored metal (see fig 28–88).

[HPL2008]

In the english translation for Merkurstab and Aesculapstab you find caduceus for both. So Administration and Medical.
Here's a Text copied from the US 670-1 Regulation:
(20) Medical Corps. The officer branch insignia is a gold-colored caduceus, 1 inch in height. Enlisted personnel
have the same design on a 1-inch disk, in gold-colored metal (see fig 28–88).

First up, please note that my post was referring to the German police shoulder boards bearing Caduceus devices. These are definitely for administrative officials, not for medical officers.

As for the terms:

Sorry, but "Caduceus" can not be translated as "Äskulapstab"; only as "Merkurstab" or "Hermesstab". This is a winged staff with two serpents.

The Aesculapius Rod or "Äskulapstab" is not winged and has only one serpent. (See: http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html )

The above quote from U.S. Army regulations is not really relevant, because the U.S. Army Medical Corps has an Aesculapius Rod in its coat-of-arms, but a Caduceus in its branch insignia.

These are referred to by the respective terms. See: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Un...y_Medical.aspx

For the reasons of adopting the Caduceus as a Medical Corps badge; this article is also of interest: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...234831/?page=3