Holocaust relic: Dachau french political prisoner uniform

[Jean-Loup]

Thanks for those explanations. Like I said, the terms early and late that I introduced are just for the sake of discution. The terms "winter" and "summer" uniform may have been better. But on period pictures, and in the set that my tunic is from, the same people are wearing mixed up sets...
JL

[Jean-Loup]

In this photo, two of the kids seem to be wearing BHT tunics: lighter color, thiner stripes, and many little wrinkles caracteristic of HBT.

Please everybody, feel free to add more photos of real (or fake) KL items, as well as good period photos. Pictures of post war KL prisonner reunions would also be interesting.

JL

[Jean-Loup]

And this picture I posted earlier also seems to show HBT uniforms to me. Yet, many seem uncomfortable about HBT tunics, and only seem to like the thick winter type tunics
It is obvious from all these period and museum pictures that there is nothing wrong about the tunic being made of HBT...

If anybody has a gut feeling that my tunic is real, you can say so in this thread, as I am feeling like I am the only one to believe in it for now.
JL

[Gregory Koepp]

well there is NO question that Herringbone Twill was used so no question there, also no question that they used MANY types of cloth and were made inside and outside camps, so tracking down the cloth is impossible. the best thing you can due is:

1. go to the camp's son and have him write a history on his father and the clothing that followed him and him giving them to said friend, then your friend doing the same to you.

2. take item to know Museum dealing in camp items and have them look and feel the coat, then again written that they inspected it.

3. take to a cloth expert and have him verify the material and age of cloth to the best he can.

4. due a burn test yourself or above person.

this is the only/best way due to the son of the man is still alive, have a photo of the son holding said items too. also you need the mans camp information, research his camp No# and any camps he was in. then you will have unquestionable proof that this is 100% with documentation and photos. even photos of the Museum member holding it?

you can't go wrong if you get even half of what i have said and they might be able to give you better backup info then..

hope this helps and you MUST get with the son and get something written and photos with him!!

Gregory koepp

[Gregory Koepp]

oh another shot i have of many types of cloth.

greg

[Gregory Koepp]

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[Gregory Koepp]

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[Gregory Koepp]

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[peter u]

Solid advice from Greg!

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[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Guys, this has been an interesting discussion. Clearly there is much to be learnt about this area of collecting.

I have handled only one tunic in my 30 year collecting career. It was a winter weight type. I have seen many in museums around Europe (as mentioned who knows if these were right?)

But I do like the overall look of JL's example.

Cheers, Ade.

[bnz. 42]

I do like the overall look of JL's example.

Me too and I think it is a real deal. Congrats Jean but I wouldn't keep it under my roof - too much of REAL evil it represents and still probably holds it in some invisible, otherworldly level, if you know what I mean

[PaulR]

I dont think that one would find too many of these at all. I am sure that everyone involved, both the victims and the perpatrators got rid of those rags as soon as they could.

If any item can carry "spirital remains", this would be soak with it!

[HunterSS]

It has been said earlier in this thread about the lack of good information and solid examples to compare to when dealing with camp items. This being true I appreciate oppertunities such as this to discuss these items in such detail. As a TR collector, I collect camp objects when the oppertunity arises and have very little to compare things with. I personally think what you have looks good so far Jean, but that's JMO. Peter's ability to hammer away at something in a consistant manner with an established protocol has saved me money I must admit however. But with KZ lager items such as cloth, given the multitude of inconsistant construction, varying from camp to camp, etc. there is indeed a need for more discussions like these, more pictures of documented and verified originals as well as examples of fakes. I hope to keep up with any further info from the relatives or documentation from Dachau on the prisoner. Great thread!

[Jean-Loup]

Thanks for the advice Gregory. I will do several of the points you talk about; though some parts will be a little bit tricky because the son is not supposed to know that what he GAVE to my friend, was then SOLD to me. I will have to pretend that everything still belongs to my friend... I am used to interviewing vets, and will do my standart procedure with him.

Like I told Peter in an email, at least when he believes an item to be good, you can be sure that it realy is good. He is correct, you shouldnt have to hope an item is good, you should be able to PROOVE an item is good.
PaulR: see post number 62. Many survivors kept their tunics.
I am glad to see that for the moment I am not the only one thinking this tunic is real. About the evil spirits... well, I dont believe in ghosts, and the man who wore this was not an evil man, so I dont think there is anything to worry about.

JL

[Mooyman]

Hi Jean,

The Israeli Society of my city have two complete uniform sets of survivors of Dachau and another one of Buchenwald. I will try take-off some photos.

Best regards from Brazil,

Ricardo.