Churchill started the Blitz

[praubal]

I find it amazing to still see that no one really understands the truth about the Blitz.
After one lone German bomber whilst failing to negotiate the twists and turns of the Thames successfully, he dropped a bomb that fell within the City Limits...destroying a couple of empty buildings and perhaps a cat, but no civilian casualties.

Upon hearing this Hitler was furious and summoned him to HQ for disciplinary procedures.

However when Churchill learned of this minor accident he was overjoyed and immediately, without Cabinet consent ordered a huge bombing raid over Germany the next evening killing many.
This was what he was waiting for so he could begin his War that he was so eager for....thus began the huge tradgedy that was the Blitz.

Hitler however, somewhat restrained did not respond like for like for many days..

[N.C. Wyeth]

What do you mean? I recall seeing this in the 1969 film, "Battle of Britain" . . .

[TP Alexander]

I think he is trying to blame the British for starting things. Revisionist history.

But in reality...

Two German pilots lost their way and dumped their bombs on London, by mistake! With the British retaliation against Berlin, Goering's line "Just call me Meier" caused Hitler to have to show that he wouldn't lose face by letting the British bomb his capital and not bomb theirs repeatedly for their "insolence". Because of the change of targeting, the British airfields, planes and pilots got a much needed respite. If Goering and his Luftwaffe generals had stayed on mission, on target, they might well have knocked England out of the war. It was a very close run thing. All because two German pilots got lost!

[compressore]

Amazing

I find it amazing to still see that no one really understands the truth about the Blitz.
After one lone German bomber whilst failing to negotiate the twists and turns of the Thames successfully, he dropped a bomb that fell within the City Limits...destroying a couple of empty buildings and perhaps a cat, but no civilian casualties.

Upon hearing this Hitler was furious and summoned him to HQ for disciplinary procedures.

However when Churchill learned of this minor accident he was overjoyed and immediately, without Cabinet consent ordered a huge bombing raid over Germany the next evening killing many.
This was what he was waiting for so he could begin his War that he was so eager for....thus began the huge tradgedy that was the Blitz.

Hitler however, somewhat restrained did not respond like for like for many days..

I find it amazing that you still stick to something which has been long time disproved.
Just for your information:

British civilian deaths from German air raids, 1940:
Jul: 258
Aug: 1,075
So even before the "Blitz", the Luftwaffe had already killed more than 1000 British civilians, not to talk about the bombings of civilians in Poland, Holland, Belgium, Norway....

For those interested to read are the British cabinet order, especially about to bomb a civil target.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...mageViewerLink

[praubal]

I find it amazing that you still stick to something which has been long time disproved.
Just for your information:

British civilian deaths from German air raids, 1940:
Jul: 258
Aug: 1,075
So even before the "Blitz", the Luftwaffe had already killed more than 1000 British civilians, not to talk about the bombings of civilians in Poland, Holland, Belgium, Norway....

For those interested to read are the British cabinet order, especially about to bomb a civil target.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...mageViewerLink

Im talking specifically London.....this wss the START of what became known as the blitz

[Totenhead]

Im talking specifically London.....this wss the START of what became known as the blitz

I think you will find the term " Blitz " refers to the entire bombing campaign on Great Britain

The term " London Blitz " refers to the bombing campaign over our capital

On July 1, 1940 – German planes attacked Caithness, Scotland, bombing its aerodrome and killing 15 people;
July 9, 1940 – German bombers attacked factories and ironworks in Norwich, killing 27.

Our then PM WSC did not start the Blitz on our Islands, the Luftwaffe did, this discussion is pointless and is simply argumentative


In all, 18,000 tons of high explosives had been dropped on England during eight months of the Blitz. A total of 18,629 men, 16,201 women, and 5,028 children were killed along with 695 unidentified charred bodies.

[Volksgrenadier 44]

I think you will find the term " Blitz " refers to the entire bombing campaign on Great Britain

The term " London Blitz " refers to the bombing campaign over our capital

On July 1, 1940 – German planes attacked Caithness, Scotland, bombing its aerodrome and killing 15 people;
July 9, 1940 – German bombers attacked factories and ironworks in Norwich, killing 27.

Our then PM WSC did not start the Blitz on our Islands, the Luftwaffe did, this discussion is pointless and is simply argumentative


In all, 18,000 tons of high explosives had been dropped on England during eight months of the Blitz. A total of 18,629 men, 16,201 women, and 5,028 children were killed along with 695 unidentified charred bodies.

Correct

Ross

[praubal]

Correct

Ross

you mis understand.... the trigger for all out bombing of cities started with the one mistaken London misaimed German bomb that Churchill was so pjeased to hear about...he retaliated in complete over the top manner to provoke Hitler ..

[praubal]

Correct

Ross

You are citing works aerodromes factories etc...they were legitimate targets which RAF also bombed...I am talking about the bombing of London and then other major cities.
Hitler forbade the Kufteaffe to target London City etc..and took many days of provication until he retaliated after his famius Sportpalast speech

[Tom B]

So "IF" a cat was killed it's ok? If true I would have started bombing the crap of them right away !!!

[praubal]

The truth sadly is that Churchill was so anxious for conflict....the peace movement was having a real impact...protests outside number 10 that he could hear himself...that this one solitary single harmless incident led into a bombing carnage un paralled in history

His provocation was deliberate and he got the outcome he was so desperatly seeking.

He famously dodged almost every bombing on London with the help of RAF intel. I think this tells us a lot about the man.

[Kyle Harrington]

Blitz...

Praubal,

It was the "Jews" who bombed London to provoke the Jew influenced Churchill into cranking up the war that the Jews started . C'mon get your facts straight!!!

[Stephen Smith]

I find it amazing to still see that no one really understands the truth about the Blitz...

British home front during World War II

The Blitz, from the German word 'Blitzkrieg' meaning 'lightning war', was the name borrowed by the British press and applied to the heavy and frequent bombing raids carried out over Britain in 1940 and 1941, during the Second World War. This concentrated, direct bombing of industrial targets and civilian centres began with heavy raids on London on 7 September 1940, during what became known as the Battle of Britain. Adolf Hitler's and Hermann Goering's plans to destroy the Royal Air Force to allow an invasion of Britain were failing, and in response to an RAF raid on Berlin, which itself was prompted by an accidental German bombing of London, they changed their tactics to the sustained bombing of civilian targets.

Between 7 September 1940 and 21 May 1941, 16 British cities suffered aerial raids with at least 100 long tons of high explosives. Over a period of 267 days, London was attacked 71 times, Birmingham, Liverpool and Plymouth eight times, Bristol six, Glasgow five, Southampton four, Portsmouth and Hull three and a minimum of one large raid on eight other cities. This was a result of a rapid escalation starting on 24 August 1940, when night bombers aiming for RAF airfields drifted off course and accidentally destroyed several London homes, killing civilians, combined with the UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill's retaliatory bombing of Berlin on the following night.

From 7 September 1940, one year into the war, London was systematically bombed by the Luftwaffe for 57 consecutive nights. More than one million London houses were destroyed or damaged and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, almost half of them in London. Ports and industrial centres outside London were also attacked. The main Atlantic sea port of Liverpool was bombed, causing nearly 4,000 deaths within the Merseyside area during the war. The North Sea port of Hull, a convenient and easily found target or secondary target for bombers unable to locate their primary targets, was subjected to 86 raids in the Hull Blitz during the war, with a conservative estimate of 1,200 civilians killed and 95 percent of its housing stock destroyed or damaged. Other ports including Bristol, Cardiff, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Southampton and Swansea were also bombed, as were the industrial cities of Birmingham, Belfast, Coventry, Glasgow, Manchester and Sheffield. Birmingham and Coventry were chosen because of the Spitfire and tank factories in Birmingham and the many munitions factories in Coventry. The city centre of Coventry was almost destroyed, as was Coventry Cathedral.

The bombing failed to demoralise the British into surrender or significantly damage the war economy. The eight months of bombing never seriously hampered British production and the war industries continued to operate and expand. The Blitz was only authorised when the Luftwaffe had failed to meet preconditions for a 1940 launch of Operation Sea Lion, the provisionally planned German invasion of Britain. By May 1941, the threat of an invasion of Britain had ended, and Hitler's attention turned to Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union. In comparison to the later Allied bombing campaign against Germany, the Blitz resulted in relatively few casualties; the British bombing of Hamburg in July 1943 inflicted some 42,000 civilian deaths, about the same as the entire Blitz.

Several reasons have been suggested for the failure of the German air offensive. The Luftwaffe High Command (Oberkommando der Luftwaffe, OKL) did not develop a strategy for destroying British war industry; instead of maintaining pressure on any of them, it frequently switched from one type of industry to another. Neither was the Luftwaffe equipped to carry out strategic bombing; the lack of a heavy bomber and poor intelligence on British industry denied it the ability to prevail.

Gee Whiz praubal, Do you want a apology for that. Churchill wasn't in power (Prime minister of the United Kingdom) when Hitler started his plan for Germanisation Lebensraum. History clearly demonstrates that Chamberlain (Prime minister of the United Kingdom) was, and he also was sick of the lying and deceit.

(At 11.15 a.m. Mr. Chamberlain had broadcast to the nation the following statement
announcing that a state of war existed between Britain and Germany: 3rd September,
1939.

"This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a
final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were
prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would
exist between us.

I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.

You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win
peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything
different that I could have done and that would have been more successful.

Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to have arranged a peaceful
and honourable settlement between Germany and Poland, but Hitler would not have it.
He had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland whatever happened, and
although He now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by
the Poles, that is not a true statement. The proposals were never shown to the
Poles, nor to us, and, although they were announced in a German broadcast on
Thursday night, Hitler did not wait to hear comments on them, but ordered his
troops to cross the Polish frontier. His action shows convincingly that there is
no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force
to gain his will. He can only be stopped by force.

We and France are today, in fulfilment of our obligations, going to the aid of
Poland, who is so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack on her
people. We have a clear conscience. We have done all that any country could do to
establish peace. The situation in which no word given by Germany's ruler could be
trusted and no people or country could feel themselves safe has become intolerable.
And now that we have resolved to finish it, I know that you will all play your part
with calmness and courage.

At such a moment as this the assurances of support that we have received from the
Empire are a source of profound encouragement to us.

The Government have made plans under which it will be possible to carry on the
work of the nation in the days of stress and strain that may be ahead. But these
plans need your help. You may be taking your part in the fighting services or as
a volunteer in one of the branches of Civil Defence. If so you will report for
duty in accordance with the instructions you have received. You may be engaged in
work essential to the prosecution of war for the maintenance of the life of the
people - in factories, in transport, in public utility concerns, or in the supply
of other necessaries of life. If so, it is of vital importance that you should
carry on with your jobs.

Now may God bless you all. May He defend the right. It is the evil things that we
shall be fighting against - brute force, bad faith, injustice, oppression and
persecution - and against them I am certain that the right will prevail.")

After one lone German bomber whilst failing to negotiate the twists and turns of the Thames successfully, he dropped a bomb that fell within the City Limits...destroying a couple of empty buildings and perhaps a cat, but no civilian casualties...

War is Hell, Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Upon hearing this Hitler was furious and summoned him to HQ for disciplinary procedures.

However when Churchill learned of this minor accident he was overjoyed and immediately, without Cabinet consent ordered a huge bombing raid over Germany the next evening killing many.
This was what he was waiting for so he could begin his War that he was so eager for....thus began the huge tragedy that was the Blitz.

Hitler however, somewhat restrained did not respond like for like for many days..

War was declared (By Chamberlain), no quarter was asked for or given. From memory, the USA & USSR realised what a understanding bloke Adolf was. Unfortunately the German people had to deal with the mess of Hitler.

[praubal]

British home front during World War II

The Blitz, from the German word 'Blitzkrieg' meaning 'lightning war', was the name borrowed by the British press and applied to the heavy and frequent bombing raids carried out over Britain in 1940 and 1941, during the Second World War. This concentrated, direct bombing of industrial targets and civilian centres began with heavy raids on London on 7 September 1940, during what became known as the Battle of Britain. Adolf Hitler's and Hermann Goering's plans to destroy the Royal Air Force to allow an invasion of Britain were failing, and in response to an RAF raid on Berlin, which itself was prompted by an accidental German bombing of London, they changed their tactics to the sustained bombing of civilian targets.

Between 7 September 1940 and 21 May 1941, 16 British cities suffered aerial raids with at least 100 long tons of high explosives. Over a period of 267 days, London was attacked 71 times, Birmingham, Liverpool and Plymouth eight times, Bristol six, Glasgow five, Southampton four, Portsmouth and Hull three and a minimum of one large raid on eight other cities. This was a result of a rapid escalation starting on 24 August 1940, when night bombers aiming for RAF airfields drifted off course and accidentally destroyed several London homes, killing civilians, combined with the UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill's retaliatory bombing of Berlin on the following night.

From 7 September 1940, one year into the war, London was systematically bombed by the Luftwaffe for 57 consecutive nights. More than one million London houses were destroyed or damaged and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, almost half of them in London. Ports and industrial centres outside London were also attacked. The main Atlantic sea port of Liverpool was bombed, causing nearly 4,000 deaths within the Merseyside area during the war. The North Sea port of Hull, a convenient and easily found target or secondary target for bombers unable to locate their primary targets, was subjected to 86 raids in the Hull Blitz during the war, with a conservative estimate of 1,200 civilians killed and 95 percent of its housing stock destroyed or damaged. Other ports including Bristol, Cardiff, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Southampton and Swansea were also bombed, as were the industrial cities of Birmingham, Belfast, Coventry, Glasgow, Manchester and Sheffield. Birmingham and Coventry were chosen because of the Spitfire and tank factories in Birmingham and the many munitions factories in Coventry. The city centre of Coventry was almost destroyed, as was Coventry Cathedral.

The bombing failed to demoralise the British into surrender or significantly damage the war economy. The eight months of bombing never seriously hampered British production and the war industries continued to operate and expand. The Blitz was only authorised when the Luftwaffe had failed to meet preconditions for a 1940 launch of Operation Sea Lion, the provisionally planned German invasion of Britain. By May 1941, the threat of an invasion of Britain had ended, and Hitler's attention turned to Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union. In comparison to the later Allied bombing campaign against Germany, the Blitz resulted in relatively few casualties; the British bombing of Hamburg in July 1943 inflicted some 42,000 civilian deaths, about the same as the entire Blitz.

Several reasons have been suggested for the failure of the German air offensive. The Luftwaffe High Command (Oberkommando der Luftwaffe, OKL) did not develop a strategy for destroying British war industry; instead of maintaining pressure on any of them, it frequently switched from one type of industry to another. Neither was the Luftwaffe equipped to carry out strategic bombing; the lack of a heavy bomber and poor intelligence on British industry denied it the ability to prevail.

Gee Whiz praubal, Do you want a apology for that. Churchill wasn't in power (Prime minister of the United Kingdom) when Hitler started his plan for Germanisation Lebensraum. History clearly demonstrates that Chamberlain (Prime minister of the United Kingdom) was, and he also was sick of the lying and deceit.

(At 11.15 a.m. Mr. Chamberlain had broadcast to the nation the following statement
announcing that a state of war existed between Britain and Germany: 3rd September,
1939.

"This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a
final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were
prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would
exist between us.

I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.

You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win
peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything
different that I could have done and that would have been more successful.

Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to have arranged a peaceful
and honourable settlement between Germany and Poland, but Hitler would not have it.
He had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland whatever happened, and
although He now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by
the Poles, that is not a true statement. The proposals were never shown to the
Poles, nor to us, and, although they were announced in a German broadcast on
Thursday night, Hitler did not wait to hear comments on them, but ordered his
troops to cross the Polish frontier. His action shows convincingly that there is
no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force
to gain his will. He can only be stopped by force.

We and France are today, in fulfilment of our obligations, going to the aid of
Poland, who is so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack on her
people. We have a clear conscience. We have done all that any country could do to
establish peace. The situation in which no word given by Germany's ruler could be
trusted and no people or country could feel themselves safe has become intolerable.
And now that we have resolved to finish it, I know that you will all play your part
with calmness and courage.

At such a moment as this the assurances of support that we have received from the
Empire are a source of profound encouragement to us.

The Government have made plans under which it will be possible to carry on the
work of the nation in the days of stress and strain that may be ahead. But these
plans need your help. You may be taking your part in the fighting services or as
a volunteer in one of the branches of Civil Defence. If so you will report for
duty in accordance with the instructions you have received. You may be engaged in
work essential to the prosecution of war for the maintenance of the life of the
people - in factories, in transport, in public utility concerns, or in the supply
of other necessaries of life. If so, it is of vital importance that you should
carry on with your jobs.

Now may God bless you all. May He defend the right. It is the evil things that we
shall be fighting against - brute force, bad faith, injustice, oppression and
persecution - and against them I am certain that the right will prevail.")





War is Hell, Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.



War was declared (By Chamberlain), no quarter was asked for or given. From memory, the USA & USSR realised what a understanding bloke Adolf was. Unfortunately the German people had to deal with the mess of Hitler.

Oh please spare us...no one reads rhese ridiculous wikipedia attachment replies....

[praubal]

My argument is within your very boring and pointless reply....took me 20 seconds to find it....look for it second paragraph..seven lines up....it is one very telling sentence...btw there were no casualties despite 8 or 9 being cited