Opinions wanted on EKI and Spangen

[peterwyndavies]

I would be grateful for opinions on this EKI and Spangen, and attach some pics.
Thanks,
Peter

[peterwyndavies]

View of reverse.

[peterwyndavies]

Another view of reverse.

[peterwyndavies]

Sorry.

[Jean-Claude]

Hi Peter

Wait for other opinions to be sure but IMO the spange is definitely a repro of the unknown maker (often attibuted to Schmidthaussler) EK 1 spange: the additional line on the lower legs of the eagle gives it away as a copy (see attached pict of original). No idea if the EK1 1914 is good or not but it becomes somewhat of a moot issue if the spange is bad

Best

JC

[gregM]

The cross is bad also. Large crown / closed 4 fake with a bogus KO mark on it.

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks Jean-Claude and gregM.
I see what you mean about the legs Jean-Claude, thanks for posting the pic of the original. What do you mean by closed 4 gregM?
Thanks,
Peter

[tinmantis]

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[peterwyndavies]

Thanks tinmantis, definitely one to avoid.
Peter

[gregM]

Closed 4 and open 4 refer to the upper arms of the 4.
Most (not all) 1914 crosses use a 4 that is open at the top. There is a fake out
there that uses a overly large crown in conjunction with a closed 4 date. The one
posted is such a cross. Unfortunately, it copies a known original making it very
difficult to tell good from bad. In this case, the cross was maker marked with a KO stamp. KO never used the closed 4 style of core.

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks for explaining that Greg.
You did really well to detect the closed 4 from the pic.
Thanks,
Peter