Oakleaves with swords

[Dwight]

Enclosed are some pictures of what I think is a set of post war S&L oakleaves with swords. Am I right? Is it possible to date this set?

All comments are much appreciated!

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

More pictures.

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

Some more pictures.

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

Last picture.

[Tom B]

Yes, they look like a set by S&L Tom

[Nigel N]

Hi Dwight!
I agree with Tom, an S&L set, and a nice one by the looks of it, no "800" mark, so must be neusilber.
Could I ask you for one more photo.......
Straight on, full face obverse, the number of flaws can date the piece!
Thanks!!!
-Nigel

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

Thanks for the comments. One more picture as requested. Very shiny oaks, so not so easy to get this picture right!

[Nigel N]

Hi Dwight!
Thanks for the extra photo, I know Oaks can be difficult to capture, especially with a shiny finish!!
At some point, maybe early or mid 60's (not sure) S&L Oaks developed a line flaw where I have marked on your set..........
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I can't see that flaw on yours, that coupled with the nicely cut-out outer edges to the Oakleaves and the quality look to the finish, makes me think this is quite an early set?
Hopefully others will also give their opinion!!
-Nigel

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

Here is also pictures of the cross that the OLS were attached to. As I understand, this is a S&L with a post war B-frame (bridge flaw, heavy beading flaws and dent row flaw (I count 11 "dents")).

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

Two more pictures. The finishing of the cross is very good.

[Nigel N]

Hi Dwight!
You should show your RK in the TR crosses section, some of the guys there will like to see it, Gentry in particular!
If the Oaks came with this cross, then I guess it can be a help in dating the Oaks, making them even more likely to be an earlier set!
-Nigel

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

Thanks for the comment! The OLS were attached to the pictured cross. I will post a link in the crosses forum.

[Dwight]

Oakleaves with swords

Here are two pictures of the ribbon that was attached to the cross with OLS. I have counted 23 white threads and I assume that the ribbon is post war. Am I right?
Again, I very much appreciate all comments/corrections!

[Matthieu]

For me, an perfect example of 1950-1960 post St&L set .... swastika KC, ols and ribbon !

[Leroy]

Very nice cross. I believe, though, because of the heavy flawing on the beading, that the piece dates closer to 1957-60.

No one knows for an absolute fact exactly when the beading flaws began, but observation of the earliest 1957 crosses shows that virtually all (if not, in fact, all -I've yet to see one without them), have the flaws in a steadily increasing degree.

There is NO evidence of pre-1953 new manufacture (i.e. die striking), although it is just barely possible that there may have been some in extremely limited amount, and even after that date, no one knows for sure what pieces used some existing components and not all new parts. The scale of postwar production before the mid-50's has been grossly exaggerated, IMO.

But back to this piece. It is very well done and a wonderful example. Is the ribbon 45mm wide? If so, the 23 white count is not determinative of postwar production.