EK II 1914 - early Deumer

[Borzadow]

Hello,

today came to me a little beauty...

First I thought that is a TR era made, but when I handle it I suprised that this is a 57er

It has a three part construction with movable, non-magnetic center.

The seller had also an identical EK with "L/11" mark on a loop (but IMO it was overpriced...)

Please take a look on it:

[Borzadow]

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[Borzadow]

btw - do we have a knowledge about materials of which the frames was made??

[Tom B]

Wow ! What an absolute beauty !!! Tom

[luftkrieg]

Superb!!

Best regards
Pierce

[Nigel N]

Fantastic looking EK!!
But I am not 100% how to date a cross like this??
The finish on the frame, looks consistent with that used on 57er EK's, but Imperial style EK's may well have been constantly in production, and some surely would pre-date the 57 period, 40's. early 50's etc.
I don't have the Schinkel style Deumer, so I am not sure what date this one, or any in this style belong to?
If you know of any particular features that would date this one to late 50's/ early 60's, please tell me, as it is something I would love to learn, and remember in the future!!
Super example, in excellent condition!!!!!!!!!!
-Nigel

[Borzadow]

Thanks guys

I'm not 100% sure too if this piece is made after or before 1957...
The quality of it is just great. And the quality of the three part construction is simillar even with the imperial period !!!

Nigel - so that piece have a schinkel style ??

[Nigel N]

Hi! my friend!!
I would call this shape a Schinkel? Certainly not the same frame that Deumer used on the 57 EK, and some of their Imperial's from the early 57 production period!
But, S&L also used two frame style's for their 57 period Imperial style EK's, so I see no reason why Deumer didn't too, and that some of them, possibly including this one weren't from the late 50's/ early 60's??
The quality on yours is TOP!!! So it is for sure an early piece, how early?? I don't know!
You said the same seller had an L/11 MM'd example that was otherwise the same? That's interesting, as even though the 57 period Deumer EK1's were sometimes MM'd L/11, the EK2's usually have a "3", maybe that points to this style being a little earlier than 57 period?
Would be nice to know for sure, but just enjoy a beautiful cross!!!!!!!!!!!
-Nigel

[Borzadow]

Thanks for your help - as always I learn something new !!!!

[Mustangstje]

IMO you have a TR made Deumer cross, the most common one to find. But she's a beauty indeed!

Here is another one.

Regards,
Nick

[Borzadow]

Hello Nick,
can you tell me why do you think it is a TR made? Can you give some links to compare?

I'm asking because it have a typical 57er cut on frame...

[Mustangstje]

btw - do we have a knowledge about materials of which the frames was made??

Neusilber (nickel silver) for the frames. And I think I read somewhere that a few manufacturers used Rhodium for the plating aka 'frosting' as we collectors call it?

Added a link in my previous post...

Regards,
Nick

[Borzadow]

Thanks for the info Nick !!! I appreciate it !!!


After browsing threads in this forum I must to say that Nick could be right - some of the Deumer TR era made EKs indeed have a shining cut frames that are simillar to early 57 ers !!!
Now I'm lost .........

What is your opinion guys ???

[Nigel N]

Well. I honestly haven't seen a Deumer EK in this style that I would say was 57 period, but that doesn't mean such pieces don't exist!
Nick makes some good points, and I would be happy enough to go along with his view that this is a TR period piece, or maybe early postwar? But probably earlier than 57 period.
I would post it in either the crosses section, or the Imperial section....maybe both? More opinion's wouldn't hurt!!
I'm sure the guys there will have seen a similar example before, and give you their opinion's on date!
-Nigel

[Tony T-S]

Wow wow wow. Such a good looking example. Post a link from here in the Imperial section. That way they can come and visit us as well as talking about this EK.