M-43 cap, unissued, post war?

[gtbpappy]

Another item not sure about.. Post war, or unissued?

[gtbpappy]

Inside

[gtbpappy]

Buttons

[pauke]

m-43

A reproduction no where near being original.

[piw]

Not original to the war period

[gtbpappy]

Thanks!!!

[HJ-Marseille]

Should be called M-43 "crap" not cap.
Sorry but very low quality copy.

[upbeek]

Should be called M-43 "crap" not cap.
Sorry but very low quality copy.

Its a crap for sure , low quality fake

[90th Light]

I would not be so fast to put this cap down.

It looks to be an unissued Italian made cap possibly for NSDAP Stellungsbau or Org. Todt construction troops in the north of Italy before 1945.

Italian known style of production
Italian brown hue wool used by "NSDAP Stellungsbau"
Italian ribbed satin type liner material
Italian lack of buttons holes

Based on those images, I would not write it off immediately as fake. Research Italian caps & M43's and you will see what I mean.

Here is another one from that unit to compare with. This came directly from a New Zealand returned soldier. This cap is made from a smooth Italian produced gabardinel,

Chris

[90th Light]

Another image and the type of caps worn by this unit.

This is one of the rarest 3rd Reich cuff titles. Caps from this unit are equally rare,

Chris

[90th Light]

Italian made cap with no button holes.

Although this cap, clearly shows real use. Note the weave of Italian wool when compared to the cap which started this thread. You can also see it in the period photo. The nap on the cap which started the thread is not so worn but that type of Italian weave is showing.

Again brought back by a returned NZ soldier,

Chris

[Buckliger]

Italian made cap with no button holes,

Chris

That one has nothing to do with the one showed first in th thread. it is made of ugly modern fabric.

[90th Light]

That one has nothing to do with the one showed first in th thread. it is made of ugly modern fabric.

Yes it does;

1/ both caps have no buttons holes

2/ both caps are Italian made

3/ both caps are from the same type of woven Italian wool. One is field grey and the other is NSDAP brown.

It is not modern, I have seen this more than once in collections including the NZ army museum. It would appear that most of the remaining "NSDAP Stellungsbau" items still in existance in the world today are out here in NZ. These are cuff titles and objects that I have only ever seen in the hands of veterans.

NSDAP Stellungsbau wore a range of caps and the cap that started this thread is likely to be one of them. It could also have been worn by Org. Todt construction or RAD labour force in the north of Italy before May 1945,

Chris

[HJ-Marseille]

SORRY GOOD MODERN COPY FAKE..
IDed because of shape and stitching and buttons..
Sorry mate!
FAKE, Repro!

[90th Light]

SORRY GOOD MODERN COPY FAKE..
IDed because of shape and stitching and buttons..
Sorry mate!
FAKE, Repro!

May- be....... or may- be not ???

Based on the 3 limited images of the cap which started this thread, and not being able to hold the cap in hand I can not say more ???

However, having had several caps directly from veterans who fought in North Africa and Italy between 1941 to 1945, I can say with all confidence that the Germans did use caps of;

that "shape"
that "stitching"
and those buttons"

as the image posted below shows

Sometimes the Italians made the caps for the Germans. Other times the Germans made the caps from Italian materials. Is the cap which started this thread one of them ???